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I saw your message on my talk page. I literally, did not have anything other than those words, to tell him. You just don't know what havoc he is creating. (see [1] and [2]. Please be patient and read everything in the links I provided. I had created a page, Annwesha Hazra, and he was the first to put a deletation tag, and claimed it to be advertising Annwesha. Well I had already declared that I have a coi of Annwesha Hazra, because I am paid to make a page for her. But this Possibly (user) is saying that I am advertising about her. Now you can also go up to that page, and read everything out there. I say, that there is not a single word there, that suggests that I am advertising about her. And he is just getting on my nerves. So I had to say that. I hope you will help me to the most extent that you can. Thanking you. Mynameisparitoshmandal (talk) 14:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Mynameisparitoshmandal, I do know the situation. I've been following it for a while now. I certainly have an opinion about the reliability of some of the sources you have used, but I am not currently involved in a content dispute about those sources. I warned you about your behaviour. Let me put it as simple as possible. It does not matter if you are wrong or right on Wikipedia; if you start calling people crazy or post insults you are not going to convince anyone. You will be banned or blocked, swiftly and unceremoniously. If you want to survive here as a paid editor, you should be at your absolute best behaviour, and follow all relevant policies to the letter AND in spirit, especially WP:CIVIL and WP:PAID My recommendation for you is that an apology will go some way towards repairing the reputation damage that you have inflicted upon yourself and your client. Vexations (talk) 16:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Jan Frydrych Award Alliance

Hi Vexations, Thank you for adding an archived link to Jan Frydrych re: the Award Alliance. It seems that Award Alliance is a company that fabricates glass trophy awards[3] and other promotional memorabilia. I'm not sure this is an actual award that the artist received, or if it is something he designed in conjunction with the company. Ping me if you want to discuss. Netherzone (talk) 17:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Is Fram still an administrator?

Would love to knowBashereyre (talk) 06:59, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:List_of_administrators/Active#F. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:36, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Bashereyre, if you want to know what user rights a user has, go to their user page and then click on View user groups (in the left panel under Tools, or go directly to for example. Vexations (talk) 10:35, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank youBashereyre (talk) 11:27, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

The Gallery

The "article" is a horrid mess. Appears a ref close was missed, so a lot of intended content ended up in ref #12. After you reverted, someone else deleted #12 entirely. I have no intention of editing this any more, but I expect it to be either draftified or Speedy deleted by an Admin.

David notMD, I think that's a bite excessive. I marked an earlier version as patrolled, and later unreviewed it. I don't think it should be speedily deleted. I wouldn't even know under what criterion it could be deleted. G12 only works if we can point to the source, which we can't. Yes, the article is a mess at the moment, but I think it can be fixed, even if it requires returning to a version prior to this edit. I was working on formatting and adding the citations in the right place. I'm willing to continue that work, but it would be nice if we could all agree on an approach, like leave all the poorly formatted references in place until we have the fixed refs, then check that they are what the OP intended and only then remove them. Vexations (talk) 13:36, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
I have no intention of doing any more editing, nor nominating for SD, PROD or AfD. I wish you and the creating editors well. David notMD (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Mentioned you at BLPN

Hi I mentioned you at BLPN here Wikipedia:Biographies of living_persons/Noticeboard#Common Name: Jose Gonzalez. Nil Einne (talk) 07:32, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Nil Einne, I think that was about [4] and [5] That's really all I can say; there was a lot of context missing when I removed the claim, that context has now been provided, it seems likely that this is the same person. Vexations (talk) 11:31, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Saatchi Yates

Conarco20 hasn't edited since March 9, so that "we" issue is stale. This article was written more recently by Yoitsjae, who modified the existing draft. If you have evidence of sockpuppetry, please file a report at WP:SPI. As for Tesfaye Urgessa, he is a well established Ethiopian artist now based in Germany, who has had exhibitions at the Uffizi twice. Please not interpret a commonplace disagreement about borderline notability as a refusal to follow policies and guidelines. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328, a new editor's first contribution, six days after creating an account on 4 July 2021, is [6] Of course we believe that's an unconnected editor who just happened to stumble upon a Draft space article while browsing. The next day, that same editor then adds five references with that same gallery as a source to a new article on an artist that is represented by that gallery, and starts a new draft on another gallery artist. But that's probably also just coincidence. But I love that you took care to explain to me who Urgessa is, despite [7]. I should probably just leave, and let the spammers and self-promoters have at it. But feel free to file this under editor retention. I'm done with Wikipedia for a bit, I think. Vexations (talk) 18:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
If there was an ironclad policy that all articles created by editors with strong suspicions of COI should be deleted, then I would agree with you. But there isn't. The article is not spam. Thanks for your work improving Urgessa. You should not take these discussions so personally. I wish you well, whether you stay or go. I hope you stay. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

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Article to write


Its been some time since I've decided to write an article or edit on Wikipedia, due to school and volunteer work, and general laziness. Since you're a senior editor I've come here. I've been looking through WP:RA but its hard to find an article to write about, at least compared to the last time I went there to find a topic to write about. I was wondering if you could give me a few leads or topics to write on, just somewhere to start off, since I've tried to write an article but to no avail. SenatorLEVI 17:18, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi SenatorLEVI, have you tried [[8]]? It gives personalized suggestions based on your contributions, and you can select the level of difficulty of the task. Vexations (talk) 17:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I'll use this tool to start working on articles :) SenatorLEVI 02:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Suraj Beera

Hi. Hope you will be doing well. I just saw that you have put a tag of "Speedy Deletion" on the article I wrote (Suraj Beera). Can you please highlight the areas which you think looks promotional? The content is backed by several references including some renowned and independent sites. He has done several successful commercial projects and is a famous entrepreneur and has got a lot of coverage in several notable channels. If still there is something that looks like an advertisement, please highlight it so that I can make edits. I tried my best to make it neutral but your feedback will be really helpful on the areas which you think looks promotional. Thanks Billyatthewheels (talk) 17:04, 11 October 2021 (UTC),,,,,,,,, and are not "renowned and independent sites". Vexations (talk) 17:14, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

But there are others used in references as well like telegraphindia, outlookindia magazine, ibtimes,, which I think are renowned. See I think normally it's mix of using all the available sources about the topic. And with your experience and guidance, I can make this article more better. Thanks Billyatthewheels (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

The only outcome I can see for this subject is that notability is not, and cannot, be established. My view is that: All the sources are over-the-top promotional, written in barely coherent English. A review of the sources at WP:RS/N would result in "not reliable". The subject does not meet our notability criteria and the sources do not meet our criteria for verifiability. The article will be deleted. We can do this quickly, via speedy deletion, or slowly, using WP:AFD. I'd rather not waste much editor time unnecessarily. I'm in favour of letting the speedy deletion nomination proceed, but I will take the article to AfD if the speedy deletion nomination is declined by an uninvolved editor. Vexations (talk) 18:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you very much for the explanation. Appreciated!! Billyatthewheels (talk) 18:27, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

minced words

If the disruption resumes after the block expires, please let me know and I will act accordingly. Thank you for the great patience you have shown in trying to educate someone who seems uneducable. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:38, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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[14] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång I'll start an RFC to propose that Wikipedia can only have entries on people that are already dead. Or that we have no biographies at all. Also, no more companies or politics. We could abolish COIN and AN/I. I'd have to AfD 1,022,325 articles,[1] but it'll be worth it.


Vexations (talk) 14:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

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Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:16, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
I was going to update my userpage to say: Widely recognized as one of the preeminent theorists and outstanding international practitioners of online textological critique, Vexation’s methodology considers the anthropomorphization of the noosphere as an autologic lens for exploring the human condition. They interrogate both the mechanism of appearance and the creation of taxonomic structures, allowing to present themselves in an openly discursive way. Vexations’s groundbreaking work involves a questioning of language, as well as a reinvention of the enunciatory modality of speech. Their far-reaching projects query notions of authorship, ownership, and originality that might otherwise go unnoticed. Vexations is a leading practitioner of acute technology-based interventions with compulsory real-time participatory stakeholder engagement. They work across narrative, adopting archival material to disrupt our perception of objectivity, perspective, and truth. In a complex, research-oriented practice, occupying the space between modes of production and investigation, Vexations challenges the ephemeral nature of collective manufacture of epistemological discourse by foregrounding post-capitalist processes of origination. Assuming iconoclastic positions in regards to authority and history they provide a highly contemporary counterpoint when juxtaposed against colonialist ethnography, rejecting Western conceptions of representation. What do you think? Vexations (talk) 14:19, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
I'd think you may be Deepak Chopra. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
How did you know? Vexations (talk) 14:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm a Wikipedian. We know many things. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Jacob Jordaens - The Holy Family with Various Persons and Animals in a Boat - Google Art Project
Serious question (!). I'm thinking of making an article about this fabolous painting at some point, would you know of a better title? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't. The title I've seen in used in Dutch and German is pretty much the same. Vexations (talk) 16:10, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Fair enough. Love the guy with the bagpipe, that's so biblical. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:15, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
And the guy holding up his beer jug for a refill. Vexations (talk) 16:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Well, Jesus is known for making beverages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Josef Hampl, representation in collections

Hello, I am experienced wikipedian and in the past ten years I have created Knihovna umění project in Czech Wikipedia and Art Library Project on Wikimedia Commons. It serves as the basis for translations into other languages. As a scientist by profession, I am used to exploit printed sources for my articles on artists. You can call it an old-fashioned approach, but these sources are much more reliable than internet. This applies also to the list of representation in collections. How can you possibly verify the list by in-line citations, when most collections are (to my sorrow) not accessible on internet?--NoJin (talk) 20:00, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, perhaps I know something about that. I have in fact used many online museum collections to verify claims about holdings, including some of the museums listed in the article on Josef Hampl. I even added a citation for one of those collections to the article. What I do know is that some of the museums listed do not exist under those names, such as the Museum für aktuelle Kunst, Utrecht. Wherever that come from was a poor source. If you have better sources, cite them. Vexations (talk) 20:35, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
I have added Centre Pompidou to the list and will try to find more links. Josef Hampl is no minor artist, as you can see from the list of his exhibitions worldwide [15].--NoJin (talk) 21:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
That's he's influential is not at all in question. I do think that these days many museums have made their collections available online, sometimes partially, but often very good. For recent acquisitions, they're not always up to date. By now I have a decent set of them that I run queries on. I noticed that the Centre Pompidou has four of his photograms [16] Vexations (talk) 22:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
I am doing what I can. I have spoken with the head of National Gallery at the press conference this morning and learnt, that digitalization and presentation of collections on line is priority, but would take from 6 to 60 years, depending on funding from the Ministry. I also met the wife of Josef Hampl this evening at her exhibition of photographs and asked her for help. The list of representation in collections has been taken from his catalogue, published by the prestigious publishing house Gallery, Prague.--NoJin (talk) 21:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
A published catalogue is perfectly fine as a source. Pages numbers are always helpful. Vexations (talk) 21:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


Hi Vexations, unless I'm missing something, I'm not sure what the threat was that you removed here? I don't know if you have been following the threads on twitter, where I have felt somewhat 'under attack', but I do think this new editor is trying to do the right thing and so while I disagree with some of their characterisations of my editing, I'm certainly not wanting to add fuel to the fire here by not allowing them to discuss it. Can you have another look, and/or explain what I'm not seeing there? Thanks! Melcous (talk) 14:25, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I understood that as a veiled threat of the kind where a vague reference is made to harm that might result as a consequence of one's actions. If I'm wrong about that, please feel free to revert, or let me know if you prefer that I do it myself. Vexations (talk) 14:32, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I think I can see how you're reading it, but given the context on twitter, I genuinely don't think that was the intention. If you're ok to revert that would probably be preferable, I don't want it to be all about me. (Plus it's time to sleep in my part of the world anyway!) Much appreciated. Melcous (talk) 14:39, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 Done Vexations (talk) 14:41, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

avner avraham

The information about Avner Avraham is reliable, very accurate information, with proper and verified references - when it comes to Hebrew. You can see this even if you do not speak Hebrew !! Request to return the value to its normal state, and references will be attached. Page center (talk) 16:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Please see here how many sources there are. Page center (talk) 17:02, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


I can’t find out how now, you once mentioned an editor had an x number of Articles they created to be unreviewed, my question is please what tool did you use to know the number of articles created by a particular user that are yet to be reviewed? Celestina007 (talk) 11:19, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Sigh, sorry for bothering you mate the answer was literally in my face looking at me. Celestina007 (talk) 11:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Vexations, clearly I missed something with my review on this one. I thought winning an Emmy and being a nominated for another along with his body of work was enough. For my own education, do my mind explaining why you moved it back to draft so I can improve my reviews in the future? S0091 (talk) 23:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

You just confirmed my doubts about my draftification. He's clearly notable, so the article will survive an AfD, and we should accept the article at AfC. The problem is verifiability. The long filmography is not sourced. I could have just ripped it out as unsourced, but that's too bitey. I think of it as "can you please fix this before it goes live", but should have tried talking to the creator first. RaijinGuardian, sorry about that. Can you address the sourcing? I'll accept the article. Thanks, Vexations (talk) 23:22, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
I appreciate your reply and understand your concern about the sourcing for the body of work. That is something I could have noted in the review and held off accepting so RaijinGuardian would have had the opportunity to address and not experience a ping-pong.
Apologies @RaijinGuardian:. Your article is still in a good position but just needs that one final step. If you cannot find sources for all of them, just remove the ones you can't and resubmit it. I will keep an eye out for it. And thanks again Vexations. S0091 (talk) 23:45, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vexations,

I was looking at the contributions of a sockpuppet and found he worked on this article. Looking at the log for the article, it's very confusing because it has been created and deleted many times. The current version was reviewed by you so I just wanted to ask if you had seen the page log when you reviewed this article and were you satisfied with it? Thanks in advance. Liz Read! Talk! 23:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't remember the details of reviewing that article, but I'm going to revisit it and all the other ones I reviewed that day to see what happened. I think I may have considered that the sheer number of unique editors (180) including of several who I trust meant that any issues it had would have already been identified and were being dealt with. Vexations (talk) 13:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Joyous Season

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Hi Vexations, May you have a bright and beautiful holiday season, thank you for everything you do for the encyclopedia. I have learned a lot from you over the years and am grateful.
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The Burning (Seinfeld)

Making this page a redirect is harmful, not helpful. 179 of the 180 Seinfeld episodes have their own page - what does anyone gain by making this the one and only episode without it's own page? Jericho735 (talk) 00:30, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Jericho735 If you disagree with the outcome of a deletion discussion such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Burning (Seinfeld) the appropriate venue is WP:DRV. Please note that to recreate a delete page requires that "significant new information has come to light since a deletion". I don't see that here. Vexations (talk) 12:15, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Yes, Jericho735, please take it to DRV, maybe with IAR and common sense rational. Deleting one out of 179 in an article series seems ridiculous and creates a "Deletionists Delight (DD)" precedent. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Randy Kryn I did just that (here: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 December 28). Jericho735 (talk) 15:12, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Randy Kryn, please don't ever refer to anyone as a deletionist who does not explicitly identify as a such. I am not a deletionist. It's a slur, a violation of WP:CIVIL and I take offense to being called one. Vexations (talk) 15:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
I didn't call you one as far as I recall, certainly not here. The precedent made by this AfD result is definitely a deletionsts dream and will be used as such if allowed to stand. I hope you would consider supporting the IAR request at DRV, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Then kindly refrain from using the term "Deletionists Delight (DD)" in a discussion on my talk page. I have the impression you're attempting to bring some levity to discussions, but I'm not amused. Vexations (talk) 15:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
My apology if it was read like that. This AfD result can be used at literally a sea of thousands of AfD's and prods and should be overturned posthaste (in my opinion). It is a literal Yikes! moment for Wikipedia. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:06, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
I, for one, would be more receptive to your rationales if you could do two things: 1) articulate them more neutrally and 2) provide sources, which is something I've almost never seen you do. You might also want to consider Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, as much of your contributions to AfD discussions are textbook cases of precisely what kinds of arguments should be avoided. Vexations (talk) 16:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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Article moved to draftspace

You recently moved my article (List of public art in Singapore) to the draftspace. I deleted the wrong blue linked articles. Can you review my article so i can continue to edit it, please ? Aleksandr Sokolin (talk) 01:26, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Aleksandr Sokolin You can continue to edit the article in Draft space, or move it back to List_of_public_art_in_Singapore. I'd keep in Draft: until you're sure that it will not be deleted when moved back to the main (article) namespace. The list now has three links to articles, Kinetic_Rain, Large_Reclining_Figure, which redirects to Reclining Figure 1938 and Merlion. I was expecting that there would be more than that. For example, you haven't yet linked First Generation (sculpture). Vexations (talk) 11:24, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

NPP on WikiProject Anime and Manga


A month late, but I have now gone through the list you posted on the WikiProject Anime and Manga talk page about a month ago and reviewed the ones that hadn't already been reviewed, except for Delicious Party Pretty Cure, which requires some more cleanup before I'm ready to mark it reviewed. I plan to come back to that one later. Bensci54 (talk) 17:58, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Bensci54 That's great, you're referring to [17]. I run queries like this to find unreviewed articles per project. I've been wondering if such lists might be useful for some projects, and how to best find reviewers for them. Thanks for your help. Vexations (talk) 18:11, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes, that's the one I was referring to. That thread had already been archived, though, which is why I commented here. Bensci54 (talk) 17:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Double sculpture

Hello, I wanted to ask you if "double sculpture" is a category we have or need - or maybe it is a one-off? I came across the term when writing an article called Mephistopheles & Margaretta. Thank you in advance! Bruxton (talk) 20:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Bruxton, I wish I could help but I don't know of any other sculptures like it. For art-related terms I often refer to the Getty art and architecture thesaurus: In painting, the analogous term would be double-sided painting; double painting refers to a painting over another a painting. There are plenty of those, but I don't think we have a category for either. It's a fascinating piece regardless. Thanks for creating the article. Vexations (talk) 14:23, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Maybe you can help

Hello Vexations, 90 days ago I upload the entry which I wrote about Noam Omer and I still don't see it via google search, how is that ? could you please help ? Tzahy (talk) 18:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Tzahy I don't work for Google, so I can't influence what googlebot does or how it works. I wouldn't worry about it. If I want to look something up in Wikipedia, I go to Wikipedia, not Google. Vexations (talk) 19:05, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks Vexations. Tzahy (talk) 19:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine help (again)

Hello Vexations. Hope you are well. Perhaps you can help out again? I have to tell you that User: Graywalls came back to the Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine page and tagged it as Copypaste at its origin when created by User:Tellus archivist (who long since left editing here - a pity) (NOT ME / NEVER WAS ME). I looked back and indeed User:Tellus archivist - self-identified as the blogger "Continuo" - from where the Copypaste claim is directed - was the person who wrote the first draft of the history of Tellus. That would seem to mean to me that, since Tellus archivist/Continuo wrote the text and started the Tellus page with it, there should be no copyright issues. Is that right? Seems logical to me. If so, would you try to reverse the tag and explain the situation to Graywalls on the talk page? I do not wish to get anywhere near the Tellus page now - or Graywalls ever again. Thank you in advance for whatever you can do on this. Valueyou (talk) 10:36, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

The first version of the article is identical to Continuo's blog post from March 3, 2008. You can verify that with [18] This is a copyright violation, and we don't allow it. User:Tellus archivist says they are Continuo. That's probably true, but it's not good sufficient. This may seem strange at first: How can you violate your own copyright? Because we only have a claim from Tellus archivist that they're Continuo, but not the other way around. We need to hear it from the author of the blog too. Ideally, the text would be licensed with a creative commons license that is compatible with Wikipedia. If Continuo wants to donate the text, they can do so, but it requires some effort. More information is at Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials. Failing that, we need to suppress the copied text, and rewrite the article in our own words. Vexations (talk) 12:21, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. I will attempt to contact Continuo and ask for a confirmation email if I can find a working email address. The Continuo blog closed down November 5, 2012. I see that Continuo also put up the TELLUS GENERAL INTRODUCTION at Ubuweb - a kind of copyleft art archive site ( here: Does that change the picture at all? Valueyou (talk) 13:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I went to the site to look for an email and discovered that on the front page right (See also section) of the blog, Continuo shows to be indeed User:Tellus archivist through the link put there: Continuo on Wikipedia. Please click on that Continuo on Wikipedia link to see that Continuo identifies as User:Tellus archivist. That link seems to clarify and simply the issue. Yes? Valueyou (talk) 13:46, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that shows that they are the same person. The material was theirs to donate to Wikipedia, if perhaps not exactly how we would prefer to see it done these days, but this was 10 years ago. Vexations (talk) 15:01, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. I hope that you will take action on the tag. Much appreciated.Valueyou (talk) 10:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Carved lump

Could you perhaps take a look at Draft:Jade Mountain Illustrating the Gathering of Scholars at the Lanting Pavilion? I noticed its existence a week ago, found it very promising even though (as is to be expected in drafts) with deficiencies and oddities, and did some work to it. I couldn't accept it but didn't want to decline it; so I did neither. I hoped and indeed expected that my critical comments would lead to its improvement to a publishable state and to its quick acceptance.

No such luck. Thanks to this edit by its creator, it now contains additional oddities, notably:

This translation of the text describes the events of the Orchid Pavilion Gathering and is in the documents from the Orchid Pavilion Gathering. The text is written by Lantingji Xu and offers a rare example poems written at the time, as well as how Chinese text looked like back then. Thanks to my follow college mate who is from china , Pin Tsen Shih we are able to understand what the Chinese.

Which is referenced:

Wang Xizhi Preface to Lanting Collection:Easter jin. Translated by Pin Tsen Shih.

I get the distinct impression that the single username that's been the creator/reviser represents more than one person.

I am ... vexed. I have a vague sense that I should now step back from this draft and let some other reviewer take over. Perhaps ... you? -- Hoary (talk) 03:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

As carved lumps go, it's a pretty one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:42, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
That's a tough one. I can't read Chinese, but neither can the main contributor to the article, apparently. If I understand it correctly , the student editor who wrote most of the article, AshleyLande, asked a "follow college mate" (I assume they meant "fellow") to translate texts from Chinese. They may have translated the titles of the works they translated as well, which unfortunately makes it impossible for us to cite the reference correctly. User:AshleyLande can you help us understand what happened here? Vexations (talk) 12:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
yes of course i get it because i know how i have it written it very confusing, what i'm trying to do fix all i need too because everything you have pointed out but this piece.
i had one my classmates who is from china and speaks fluent in Chinese have her look at the current text that is in chinese and tell me if what it said translation if correct she said it is and i'm trying cite her if that what i need too do.
also i not sure if i'm supposed cite myself with in the text when it my own words of how peice appears. AshleyLande (talk) 18:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi @AshleyLande, thanks for getting back to us. There's something really important about citations that I'd like to discuss with you and that is that a citation needs to point to a unique resource.
For example, If I'd like to support a claim that I'm making in an article with a citation of book, it might enought to cite the author and title. Most people would probably be able to find that book in a library, although it would be easier if I provided an ISBN, and even better if I provided a full citation. But but if I translate the title of that book and the name of the author into Dutch I get something that hardly anyone is going to be able to find! I think that's what might have happened with your article where you cite "Wang Xizhi Preface to Lanting Collection:Easter jin. Translated by Pin Tsen Shih". It's fine if the original text and title are in Chinese, but we do need to be able to look it up. I think that what you're referring to is a text we actually have an article on: Lantingji Xu. But unless Pin Tsen Shih published that translation somewhere, we can't look that up and it's not a valid citation. If you do want to cite it, you might use, which has an English translation. Vexations (talk) 19:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
okay i see okay i just fixed that is there anything else i need to fix in order to be able for you allowed it be done? AshleyLande (talk) 19:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I'll leave a comment at Draft:Jade Mountain Illustrating the Gathering of Scholars at the Lanting Pavilion Vexations (talk) 19:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, but how can it [19] be 290 cm long? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
okay yes thank you i just realized that was huge typo i have fix it what its supposed to say AshleyLande (talk) 20:29, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång@AshleyLandeThe dimension given by the MIA doesn't specify a depth. If you look at the json data, it just says "dimension": "22 1/2 × 38 3/8 in. (57.2 × 97.5 cm)", but when you click on Details > Dimension, it shows you a schematic representation that includes a depth of 2.9 m. That's generated by a misbehaving script, is my guess. Vexations (talk) 21:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
so i confused should i change it becase is what i have written or how i have written wrong ???? AshleyLande (talk) 21:42, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
@AshleyLande, The data that the MIA provides is "dimension": "22 1/2 × 38 3/8 in. (57.2 × 97.5 cm)". That's what you should use, because you can cite it as "Jade Mountain Illustrating the Gathering of Scholars at the Lanting Pavilion, China ^ Minneapolis Institute of Art". Retrieved 10 March 2022. Vexations (talk) 21:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
okay perfect i just fixed that, now what should i do AshleyLande (talk) 22:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
You should make sure that the statements that I have tagged with ((failed verification)) are either rewritten to accurately summarize what the source says or cited to a different source that does support the claim. If that is not possible, you may have to remove such statements. Vexations (talk) 22:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
failed verification you mean i need give more clarify what i'm saying whatever i may being citing (talk) 16:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
@AshleyLandeI mean that when you say "It was made under the Fifth Emperor of the Qing dynasty, Qianlong" you cite that to which neither mentions the artwork, nor that he was the fifth emperor. So you need to rewrite that sentence, because the source doesn't support it. For example, you could say "Qianlong ruled from 1736 to 1795", citing the same source. Or you can find a source that says it was commissioned by Qianlong, for example That he was the fifth is hardly relevant to this article, and interested readers can find that information in Qianlong Emperor, which says he was the sixth. I don't immediately see where you might have gottten that infor from, but I think it's incorrect. Vexations (talk) 16:40, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
okay so basically i need information im citing line up AshleyLande (talk) 16:47, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
@AshleyLande Yes, you need to accurately summarize what your sources say and not add your own conclusions or analysis. Vexations (talk) 17:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Deborah Anzinger

Hello, Vexations. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Deborah Anzinger".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 19:47, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

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Rasht embroidery

It would be good if you had noticed that Rasht embroidery is uncategorised before you marked it as reviewed. Schwede66 23:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

You're right. Thanks for noticing. Vexations (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Eleanor Munro

On 11 April 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Eleanor Munro, which you contributed. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 23:25, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

This multi-headed hydra has reared one of it's heads over the horizon...

Hello Vexations - This [20] has appeared again as a draft, but should have been salted long ago. I know you are very busy, but perhaps you remember the AfDs that were riddled with COI, UPE, sockpuppetry, disruptive editing, block evasion, etc. AfDs: [21],[22] and were a huge time-sink.

Is it possible to notify an admin active at NPP to nip it in the bud, and if so who would you recommend? Or how to report it before it reaggregates? Thanks in advance. Netherzone (talk) 19:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC) And I just saw this duplicate draft:[23]. Netherzone (talk) 20:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I thought that user was globally banned. Let me check. Vexations (talk) 21:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
@Blablubbs:, do you remember Sorginak? Vexations (talk) 21:14, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I do, albeit just vaguely – looks like Kuru beat me to handling it. :) --Blablubbs (talk) 16:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Found it: Vexations (talk) 21:19, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you both! Netherzone (talk) 21:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
If someone tried to accept that AfD, they'd find that they wouldn't be able to move it into mainspace. I think a WP:G5 would work. Vexations (talk) 21:26, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


The Original Barnstar
We haven't interacted too much, but if you're pulling back from WP as you seemed to say I wanted to let you know that your years of work (especially on difficult political topics, where I saw your comments a few times) is greatly appreciated, and I wish you the best! Alyo (chat·edits) 14:35, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello Vexations, hope you are doing well. I came across this draft you started on Laddie John Dill. It took my interest as I remember his work well from California in the 60s and 70s. I've made some improvements, and altho it is still a short article, it now clearly will pass NARTIST and GNG. Would you mind if I moved it to article space? Netherzone (talk) 01:30, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Netherzone, Please go ahead. Nothing could please me more than that everything I have written in draft or article space is rewritten, improved, sourced, annotated and updated by other editors until not a word of it remains, except in the edit history.
I'm a busy doing some work on with Wikipedia's gender gap and the (complicated) statistics involved in its analysis. I hope to be able to present that soon.
All the best, Vexations (talk) 15:29, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Will do, and thanks for the good work you are doing to analyze the gender gap. Have a good weekend! Netherzone (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Bibi Khanum redirect

Thanks for helping to solve the puzzle of the AfD for the stub that used to be Bibi Khanum. I'm afraid I don't agree with your decision to now do a straight redirect of "Bibi Khanum" to Bibi Khanoom Astarabadi, though.

The most famous Bibi Khanum in history is Saray Mulk Khanum (c.1341–1408), the original "Bibi Khanum" who was a direct descendant of Genghis Khan (hence called "Khanum"). Popular legend is that Timur, founder of the Timurid Empire, commissioned the building of the famous Bibi-Khanym Mosque and named it after Saray as his favorite consort (hence the term "Bibi Khanum" or "Bibi-Khanym" later becoming an honorific meaning "lady queen" or "favorite wife" if I understand correctly). Saray's own Wikipedia bio suggests that she's the one who commissioned the mosque.

I regret not piecing that together during the AfD discussion, but it's not my area of history (and I'm sure someone else could explain it better and more accurately) and I thought it might complicate things, so I didn't delve any further. But now that I know this after about 30 minutes of reading on the Internet, I think it's wrong to keep the Bibi Khanum redirect pointing to Astarabadi – if it's the alternate spelling you are after, how about creating a redirect from "Bibi Khanum Astarabadi" instead? Perhaps "Bibi Khanum" could be a disambiguation page instead? Or just leave it deleted for now?

Cielquiparle (talk) 09:34, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

A disambiguation page would be better than a redirect, I think. Vexations (talk) 01:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
It looks great! Thank you so much. Seems like a really enlightening outcome – a disambiguation page that actually clarifies something important. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:10, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Cielquiparle Now all that's left to do is figure out the transliteration of بی بی خان. Khanum, Khanom, Hanum, Hanim? That really isn't my area though, so I'll leave it to the experts. Vexations (talk) 12:18, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Would you consider becoming a New Page Reviewer?

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months. (Purge)

Hi Vexations,

I've recently been looking for editors to invite to join the new page reviewing team. Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; the new page reviewing team needs help from experienced users.

Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Kindly read the tutorial before making your decision (if it looks daunting, don't worry, most pages are easy to review, and habits are quick to develop). If this looks like something that you can do, please consider joining us. If you choose to apply, you can drop an application over at WP:PERM/NPR. If you have questions, please feel free to drop a message on my talk page or at the reviewer's discussion board.

Cheers, and hope to see you around, (t · c) buidhe 17:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Buidhe, I have done my fair share. I need to spend less time on Wikipedia for a while, so I've asked remove the new page reviewer right. I didn't want to have an account with advanced permissions sitting around when it's not monitored frequently and also WP:HATSHOP. Best of luck with finding new candidates. Vexations (talk) 21:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Ah ha, I understand :) Enjoy IRL! (t · c) buidhe 21:59, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
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