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Revert on Siege of Chittorgarh (1303)
[edit]My apologies, I reverted your edit on Siege of Chittorgarh (1303) by mistake. I've restored your edit. Sorry for that! Ravensfire (talk) 03:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Not a problem! No2WesternImperialism (talk) 03:48, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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January 2023
[edit] Hello, I'm Dl2000. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Morbi, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Dl2000 (talk) 21:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
March 2023
[edit] Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Amritpal Singh (activist), without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Kautilya3 (talk) 23:47, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- I removed content which was biased and opinionated. You cannot use the word "radical" to describe anyone on Wikipedia.
- Thanks No2WesternImperialism (talk) 00:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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April 2023
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Ben Stokes etc...
[edit]Hello.
I'm concerned that you're simply re-adding information that others have removed without considering why. I know it can be tricky to get the gist of what people are talking about in edit summaries, so lets talk about it here.
In terms of the Stokes article, the detail you're adding probably doesn't belong in the lead of the article. It's already quite bloated there. In other cases where you've stated a brief fact in a short lead I have less of an issue with this, but in this case I think t's just too detailed in the wrong place - we have a whole article where we can add this sort of thing, it doesn't have to go in the lead.
There are some other issues that we should probably have a chat about, but let's start with this. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:05, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- +1. Only really notable feats / key performances should go in the lead, as it is meant to be a summary of the rest of the article. Spike 'em (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Please add citations
[edit]Saw you don't like templates, so I'm typing it out. Please add citations when you make additions to articles, especially biographies of living people. I have undone your edit at Sachin Tendulkar. Thanks, Wracking 💬 03:40, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
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May 2023
[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to Rajputisation, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. You cannot do your own research on topic to add it. Kurbanov no where uses word Badgurjar. Please read as per WP:ONUS, it is your task to seek inclusion through consensus. Akalanka820 (talk) 07:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- So you're telling me that Kurbanov's research has nothing to do with the term Rajputisation?
- The definition of Rajputiation itself comes from the concept where different communities coalesced into the Rajput community.
- And I don't understand how you are saying it is my own research, it simply Kurbanov's. And he gave the Badgujar clan as an example. No2WesternImperialism (talk) 07:58, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- You are using KS Suresh Singh which is under WP:RSCASTE, why it is very difficult to understand? go through it. Kurbanov didn't used Badgurjar word, where does he ? In general he said Hepthalite plus Gujar formed Rajput population, a colonial era topic. I hope you know there is WP:RAJ, you need to quote him from secondary sources of writers on Badgurjar. Please read WP:SYNTH, we can't draw conclusions ourselves by combining A and B which neither of them says explicitly. Lastly, do read WP:ONUS, to achieve consensus is with those who want to seek its inclusion. Akalanka820 (talk) 08:10, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- He used it, but the link to the source has been dismantled. I will try finding another link.
- And what do you mean "ourselves"? It's my mistake No2WesternImperialism (talk) 22:49, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi,I have moved the content in sequenced order. The topic has been mentioned, so what is the point in playing with the line ?
- Secondly, you had raised on Jadeja. I think it was removed here-[[1]] by an Admin, the same lines have been added without addressing his objections. I would definitely look into it at some point of time. Happy Editing !!  Akalanka820 (talk) 13:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- Badgujar( Bad_Gujar) is a common clan Among the Gurjars,Jats and Rajputs and Rajputs was a title Given in 16th century by Mughal emperors.
- @No2WesternImperialism
- @Akalanka820 TonnyJ (talk) 13:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- You are using KS Suresh Singh which is under WP:RSCASTE, why it is very difficult to understand? go through it. Kurbanov didn't used Badgurjar word, where does he ? In general he said Hepthalite plus Gujar formed Rajput population, a colonial era topic. I hope you know there is WP:RAJ, you need to quote him from secondary sources of writers on Badgurjar. Please read WP:SYNTH, we can't draw conclusions ourselves by combining A and B which neither of them says explicitly. Lastly, do read WP:ONUS, to achieve consensus is with those who want to seek its inclusion. Akalanka820 (talk) 08:10, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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Unreliable source(s) on Ghurid dynasty article
[edit]- [2] is a book written by Hongyin Wang, pen name Zhumo, is Professor and PhD supervisor in Department of English, Director of Translation Studies Center, and Director of the Postdoctoral Research Station at College of Foreign Languages, Nankai University. No specialization in this particular area or field
- [3] by Hamid Wahed Alikuzai, who is not an historian and has no specialization in this area or field.
- [4] by Faegheh Shirazi whose research interests include textiles, dress, gender identity discourse, and material culture in the Middle East; the meanings of veiling; rituals and rites of passage as they relate to material culture. Hardly WP:RS in this case. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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Re Pa©ker&Tra©ker (♀) 17:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Regarding [5]/[6]: Please stop edit-warring about this and address the concerns raised here or [7]. Regards, HaeB (talk) 04:18, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Note
[edit]You have reverted my edit [[8]], it is cleared from page 87 that the paragraph deals with Silhadi soldiers. Please don't revert it like you did here -[[9]]. Akalanka820 (talk) 05:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have the same source as you have. You are simply misquoting information. Don't try to act like you're always right.
- "These followers were Rajput or pseudo-Rajput migrant soldiers from Purab, a term usually meaning Awadh, Bihar, and the Varanasi region." No2WesternImperialism (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- i am not misquoting! read the paragraph on page 87 first line here -
What was the power of these Rajput leaders based on and what kind of men were Medini Rai and Silhadi?..
The first para talks about Silhadi and Medini Rai and their soldiers. Basically here he means the soldiers might have been Rajputs with some being others, but commanders were mainly Rajputs. He clearly explains this in next para by using word soldiers. You are trying to imply something like the writer is calling a community of a region with a term which is definitely not what he is saying. He is talking about soldiers. And please stop it, like what you did here- [[10]] without any proper explanations.Akalanka820 (talk) 04:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- i am not misquoting! read the paragraph on page 87 first line here -
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- Appreciate for the acknowledgement. Apologies from my side No2WesternImperialism (talk) 18:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- You did it again, on Sodhas of Amarkot. I have added the required attribution — Diannaa (talk) 15:07, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
Maps
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Hi. You are adding so many minuscule details to the maps that they become completely unreadable, as in here, especially around the Rajputana region. Only the major polities should be mentionned, to maintain readability. If you want a more detailed map, please create your own, with the attached background for example. Thank you. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 17:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hello,
- Thanks for the notificiation. But as a request, I believe Amarkot and Dungarpur should stay, along with Kangra because the Kangra kings had conflicts with the Delhi Sultans, and it was a notable kingdom. No2WesternImperialism (talk) 18:14, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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Poor edits
[edit]Hi, you are making a lot of very poor edits, eg at Jadaun Rajputs. Are you aware of the information at WP:RAJ? Are you aware of the special sanctions regime which applies to articles such as the Jadauns one? - Sitush (talk) 13:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Please provide the examples of "poor edits" No2WesternImperialism (talk) 22:58, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Several articles make the claim that the Jadaun Rajputs belong to the Yaduvanshi Rajput group, who like the Yaduvanshi Ahirs, claim descent from Yadu. I included other Yaduvanshi tribes such as Jadejas, because historians also link the Sammas (ancestors of Jadejas) with the Yadavas. No2WesternImperialism (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- KS Suresh Singh comes under WP:RSCASTE No2WesternImperialism (talk) 23:18, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Unspecified removal of Names.
[edit]Hi, I saw you recently reverted many new names that were added with proper citations on List of Rajputs without giving any correct reason. May I know the reason behind your removal of certain names like Khudadad Khan, Abdus Salam, Baba Shadi Shaheed, Shah Hussain, etc.
You have mentioned poorly sourced but thats absolutely incorrect as just like the other additions, they are also properly cited. It appears there is a pattern to the names you are removing. Kindly explain and talk before removing others edits. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 06:53, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Your sources come under the sanctions of (please see) WP:RAJ, along with that Wikipedia has regulations for reliable sources. Please also see Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article.
- Thanks No2WesternImperialism (talk) 06:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- And you responded to my talk page right after I did to yours. Also please read read WP:RSCASTE. Also do read what is WP:ONUS and what is WP:SYNTH, instead of giving personal attacks.
- Engage with me on your talk page here - [[11]], not on multiple pages.
- Thanks No2WesternImperialism (talk) 07:01, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
August 2023
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- Greetings Aman,
- I appreciate the message, however, I am not trying to make the article the way I think it should be. The Jadaun Rajputs claim to be Yaduvanshi, and I wanted to add the sources which are properly backed and state they have Yaduvanshi ancestry, as well as connections with other Yaduvanshi descent groups such as Ahirs. I could have re-worded some words on my behalf.
- However, apparently the user Kshatriya Yoddha didn't like the fact that I was keeping these statements in the main header and even questioned why I was using 'Yadavs' who he described as "backwards" in the title, despite when I said Yadavas. The previous day, I had another user who was informing me about the WP:RAJ policy as my sources I was using was coming from the Raj-era.
- There are several sources which I have closely read calling Jadauns as Yadus or Yadavas. The user Kshatriya Yoddha mistook me trying to use Yadavs.
- I have spoken to the user on the talk page, and apparently we had another issue where the user was using poor sources and even tried to seek help from another user, though that user did agree with the fact user Kshatriya Yoddha was using poor sources.
- Thanks, No2WesternImperialism (talk) 05:12, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- The Jadaun Rajputs, along with other Yaduvanshi Kshatriya clans such as Yaduvanshi Ahirs are believed to be evolved from the Yadavas, who also claim descent from Yadu. Some historians referred to Jadauns as 'Yadu Rajput', or even 'Yadava Rajput', due to their Yaduvanshi lineage, and some theorize that the Jadauns evolved from the Ahirs.[1][2][3][4]
- The user accused me of using the word Yadavs in this, where I clearly used Yadavas. No2WesternImperialism (talk) 05:15, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think this will be better, but will make a new section
- ===Origin===
- The Jadaun Rajputs, along with other Yaduvanshi Kshatriya groups such as Yaduvanshi Ahirs and Bhati Rajputs[5] [6] are believed to be evolved from the Yadavas, who also claim descent from Yadu[7][8]. Some historians referred to Jadauns as 'Yadu Rajput', or even 'Yadava Rajput', due to their Yaduvanshi lineage[9], and some theorize that the Jadauns evolved from the Ahirs.[10][11] No2WesternImperialism (talk) 05:32, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Bhavsinhji Takhtasinhji Gohil
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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 03:48, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, I will like to have the article remain deleted.
- Thanks, No2WesternImperialism (talk) 05:15, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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Jadaun Rajput dispute.
[edit]I asked you a simple question, where is it written that Jadaun Rajputs are descended from Ahirs. You are making conclusions based on these observations:
1. Both claim descent from Yadu
2. Jadaun rajputs are called 'Yadu' / 'Yadava' rajputs
I also 100% agree, both these observations are correct.
Now, my simple question still remains, where is the mention that Jadauns descend from Ahirs. Just because 2 groups claim similar descent, one because they truly are and one because they want to move up the social ladder (read Rajputisation of Ahirs), how are you making this conclusion???
Jadauns are the direct descendants of Krishna and rulers of Mathura since time immemorial, and atleast for over a 1000 years historically. Ahirs are a nomadic non-elite cattle herding/pastoralist group and claims links with Krishna, there use of Yadav surname started in 20th century.
Kindly answer the question in bold and we can conclude this debate here itself... Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 15:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Bhattacharya (1995: 237) has written," The Rajput generally repudiate all connections with the Ahir, though it seems very probable that the Yadubansi Kshatriyas were originally Ahirs". Do you have Google Books? How are you not able to see it?
- Jadubansi is a COGNATE of the Jadaun Rajputs.
- And if you agree with the information, WHY did you remove the information in the first place?
- To say "Jadauns are the direct descendants" is too biased. Their clan does claim descent from Yadu and Krishna, and you are adding original research with your statement: "Jadauns are the direct descendants of Krishna and rulers of Mathura since time immemorial, and atleast for over a 1000 years historically. Ahirs are a nomadic non-elite cattle herding/pastoralist group and claims links with Krishna, there use of Yadav surname started in 20th century."
- Not all Rajput clans are pure and properly descend from Kshatriyas. You are trying to believe that all Rajputs are Kshatriyas, while they CLAIM DESCENT from Kshatriyas! That is a big difference.
- SO I REQUEST YOU TO PLEASE STOP DOING YOUR CASTE PRIDE AND LEARN TO STOP REMOVING SOURCES BASED ON THE WAY YOU VIEW THINGS.
- If historians link the Jadus with the Ahirs since both are Yaduvanshi, there is nothing wrong in that. Also, please see the article Yaduvanshi Aheer.
- And you again are not liking the idea that Ahirs are mentioned in the sentence because they are "cattle breeding/pastoralist communities". As I mentioned before, not all Rajput groups were rulers. You need to cite the information you said above for your sentences.
- This is what most historians believe in Rajputisation: According to modern scholars, almost all Rajputs clans originated from peasant or pastoral communities.[12][13][14][15] Rajputisation is the study of formation of the community over the centuries.
- Last but not least, this 'Jadauns are the direct descendants of Krishna and rulers of Mathura since time immemorial, and atleast for over a 1000 years historically. Ahirs are a nomadic non-elite cattle herding/pastoralist group and claims links with Krishna, there use of Yadav surname started in 20th century.' is a biased and an original research statement.
- You can't do that here. No2WesternImperialism (talk) 16:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Cattle_and_the_Stick/wT-BAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=The+Rajput+generally+repudiate+all+connections+with+the+Ahir,+though+it+seems+very+probable+that+the+Yadubansi+Kshatriyas+were+originally+Ahirs%22&dq=The+Rajput+generally+repudiate+all+connections+with+the+Ahir,+though+it+seems+very+probable+that+the+Yadubansi+Kshatriyas+were+originally+Ahirs%22&printsec=frontcover
- this comes from the AnSI. No2WesternImperialism (talk) 16:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
A false story of Ahir's Yadav identity after 1910
[edit]hello sir, please look at Ahir page.[16]
- ^ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Social_Geography/4O3ZAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=jadon
- ^ Soni, Lok Nath (2000). The Cattle and the Stick: An Ethnographic Profile of the Raut of Chhattisgarh. Anthropological Survey of India, Government of India, Ministry of Tourism and Culture, Department of Culture. ISBN 978-81-85579-57-3.
Bhattacharya (1995: 237) has written," The Rajput generally repudiate all connections with the Ahir, though it seems very probable that the Yadubansi Kshatriyas were originally Ahirs".
- ^ https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_Mewat/yIU3EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=jadaun+yadu+rajput&pg=PA59&printsec=frontcover
- ^ https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Caste_System_of_Northern_India/NenzO2grTOMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=jadon+rajput+ahir&pg=PA228&printsec=frontcover
- ^ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cultural_Contours_of_India/nKJiBUFrmfoC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=jadaun+yadava&pg=RA1-PA136&printsec=frontcover
- ^ https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Caste_System_of_Northern_India/NenzO2grTOMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=jadon+rajput+ahir&pg=PA228&printsec=frontcover
- ^ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Rajasthan_and_Ajmer_District_Census_Hang/35wwO_tOb4wC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=jadaun+yadu+descent&dq=jadaun+yadu+descent&printsec=frontcover
- ^ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Mathura_a_Gazetteer/tYgeAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=jadaun+yadu+descent&dq=jadaun+yadu+descent&printsec=frontcover
- ^ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Social_Geography/4O3ZAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=jadon
- ^ Soni, Lok Nath (2000). The Cattle and the Stick: An Ethnographic Profile of the Raut of Chhattisgarh. Anthropological Survey of India, Government of India, Ministry of Tourism and Culture, Department of Culture. ISBN 978-81-85579-57-3.
Bhattacharya (1995: 237) has written," The Rajput generally repudiate all connections with the Ahir, though it seems very probable that the Yadubansi Kshatriyas were originally Ahirs".
- ^ https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_Mewat/yIU3EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=jadaun+yadu+rajput&pg=PA59&printsec=frontcover
- ^ Eugenia Vanina 2012, p. 140:Regarding the initial stages of this history and the origin of the Rajput feudal elite, modern research shows that its claims to direct blood links with epic heroes and ancient kshatriyas in general has no historic substantiation. No adequate number of the successors of these epically acclaimed warriors could have been available by the period of seventh–eights centuries AD when the first references to the Rajput clans and their chieftains were made. [...] Almost all Rajput clans originated from the semi-nomadic pastoralists of the Indian north and north-west.
- ^ Daniel Gold (1 January 1995). David N. Lorenzen (ed.). Bhakti Religion in North India: Community Identity and Political Action. State University of New York Press. p. 122. ISBN 978-0-7914-2025-6.
Paid employment in military service as Dirk H. A. Kolff has recently demonstrated, was an important means of livelihood for the peasants of certain areas of late medieval north India... In earlier centuries, says Kolff, "Rajput" was a more ascriptive term, referring to all kinds of Hindus who lived the life of the adventuring warrior, of whom most were of peasant origins.
- ^ Doris Marion Kling (1993). The Emergence of Jaipur State: Rajput Response to Mughal Rule, 1562–1743. University of Pennsylvania. p. 30.
Rajput: Pastoral, mobile warrior groups who achieved landed status in the medieval period claimed to be Kshatriyas and called themselves Rajputs.
- ^ André Wink (1991). Al-Hind the Making of the Indo-Islamic World: The Slave Kings and the Islamic Conquest : 11Th-13th Centuries. BRILL. p. 171. ISBN 90-04-10236-1.
...and it is very probable that the other fire-born Rajput clans like the Caulukyas, Paramaras, Cahamanas, as well as the Tomaras and others who in the eighth and ninth centuries were subordinate to the Gurjara-Pratiharas, were of similar pastoral origin, that is, that they originally belonged to the mobile, nomadic groups...
- ^ Report on the Census of British India taken on the 17th of February 1881: Vols. I-III. 1881-02-17.
The Yadavas, who in their turn are identified with the Gaolis and Ahirs, were the dominant race at that time.
2402:8100:2583:91ED:0:0:2BC0:A2A2 (talk) 22:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Abhiras (modern day Ahirs) as Yadavas
[edit]Ahirs as Yadavas[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] 2402:8100:2583:91ED:0:0:2BC0:A2A2 (talk) 22:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Krishna was an Abhira
[edit]Krishna belonged to Abhira (Ahir) tribe[8]
- ^ Rao, M. S. A. (1987). Social Movements and Social Transformation: A Study of Two Backward Classes Movements in India. Manohar. ISBN 978-0-8364-2133-0.
Besides this mythical origin of the Yadavas, semi-historical and historical evidence exists for equating the Ahirs with the Yadavas. It is arued that the term Ahir comes from Abhira (Bhandarkar, 1911:16) who were once found in different parts of India , and who in several places wielded political power. The Abhiras are equated with Ahirs, Gopas and Gollas, and all of them are considered Yadavas.
- ^ Bahadur), Sarat Chandra Roy (Rai (1974). Man in India. A.K. Bose.
The Yādavas, mentioned in the Mahabharata, were pastoral kshatriyas among whom Krishna was brought up. The Gopas, whom Krishna had offered to Duryodhana to fight in his support when he himself joined Arjuna's side, were no other than the Yadavas themselves, who were also the Abhiras.
- ^ Shah, Popatlal Govindlal (13 February 2009). Ethnic history of Gujarat – Popatlal Govindlal Shah – Google Books.
- ^ Munshi, Kanaiyalal Maneklal (1955). Glory that was Gūrjaradeśa: (A.D. 550-1300). Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan.
- ^ Division, Publications. India - Early History. Publications Division Ministry of Information & Broadcasting. ISBN 978-81-230-2340-3.
- ^ Enthoven, Reginald Edward (1990). The Tribes and Castes of Bombay. Asian Educational Services. ISBN 978-81-206-0630-2.
Graharipu ruling at Vanthali near Junagadh is described in the Dyáshraya-Kávya of Hemachandra as an Abhira and a Yádava.
- ^ Tambs-Lyche, Harald (1996-12-31). Power, Profit, and Poetry: Traditional Society in Kathiawar, Western India. Manohar Publishers & Distributors. ISBN 978-81-7304-176-1.
Hemachandra, in the Dyashraya-Kavya, describe the prince Grahasipu, ruling at Vanthali near Junagadh, as an Abhira and a Yadava.
- ^ Mitra, Khagendranath (1952). The Dynamics of Faith: Comparative Religion. University of Calcutta.
Krishna belongs to a nomadic tribe of Abhiras known as Sāttvatas who inhabited the country near Mathura. These Sāttvatas or more properly the Yadavas of whom they were a branch were mentioned by Panini.
2409:4085:9C80:BA1F:F590:D5BE:8250:77CD (talk) 22:51, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
List of Rajputs
[edit]please check the pending edit requests at Talk:List of Rajputs. MahabaliKhali (talk) 18:04, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Rajputs in Gujarat
[edit]A lot of poor content has been added at Rajputs in Gujarat. A quick skim of this talk page has me concerned that you are not learning: for example, just because something is in a book does not male it suitable for Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 07:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Sanctions
[edit]Further to my recent note here, I now see you have been making very poor edits at Makwana (clan) also, and despite good advice not to do so. You had the sanctions warning in May and thus you are deemed to be aware that continued poor editing is likely to lead to such things as topic bans or even complete blocks from editing. Please be careful. - Sitush (talk) 20:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- This edit is appalling and you should know better. Unless he self-identifies his caste, we don't show it ... and that specific source actually makes the point that umpteen different claims have been made about his caste without such identification. What on earth were you thinking? - Sitush (talk) 21:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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