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Just over a week ago, you suggested trying to widen the circle of editors commenting on the Benares infobox images discussion. There was an infobox images discussion regarding Hyderabad a few months ago, and our "friend" started a new one. I have posted notices about both the Benares and Hyderabad discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities‎ and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian cities‎.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Toddy1: I had been mostly away from WP. Will take a look at those discussions soon. Thanks for doing this, btw. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:25, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement regarding a possible violation of an Arbitration Committee decision. The thread is Fowler&fowler. Thank you. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 15:24, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I definitely didn't realize the riots article was under 1RR. If you're in the same boat, F&F, could you please self-revert? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

The article banner says it quite clearly while making an edit; I doubt that repeated violations of 1RR by regular editors of the article (arguably the most frequent editor) have been excused prior on claims of ignorance, I doubt they would help now. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 15:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I did self-revert. There is no warning when you rollback AGF. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

You actually didn't self-revert, instead, you re-did the reversion that breached the restriction. You should self-revert your most recent edit. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Have done so now. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:55, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Of my 210 edits in the article, only 29 have been made since 17 April 2020 when the lead took its present form. Of these 22 were reverts made during the last 18 months, in which no warning appears about 1RR. The remaining nine had been made earlier. I was honestly unaware that a 1RR restriction was in place. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Firefangledfeathers for catching it. Padurina (talk) 22:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

	Smiles
	Haven't seen you smile yet Z!t!@n«T@1k» 00:02, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@DestinyPegasus: I just noticed your very pastel signature. I think there might be some guidelines in place about signatures being readable by the sight impaired, e.g. the color blind, that you might want to honor. I don't know know what they are but I'm pinging a very knowledgeable admin who would surely know. @Titodutta: Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) See the policy WP:SIGAPP: "As some users have vision problems, be conscious of color and contrast issues. If you use different colors in your signature, please ensure that the result will be readable by people with color blindness, defective color vision, and other visual disabilities.". I also am unable to read the signature as is. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

ok Z!t!@n«T@1k» 21:57, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Have done! I insist on the talk page though Z!t!@n«T@1k» 22:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

UNLESS you also insist Z!t!@n«T@1k» 22:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Very good! It is not for me to insist, but for us to be considerate to the viewing comfort of everyone. It doesn't matter to me, but it probably does to those who have visual impairment. Use your best judgment. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

One way would be to switch the lime green and red (i.e. red on lime green) in the talk page version. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:14, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

T_T It's supposed to be cyan... Z!t!@n«T@1k» 23:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I am now. :) Thanks for the message. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 August 29#Population of cities Moxy- 21:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Though technically no policy bar us to use Naipul as source, just for establishing caste of a person (Naipul quotes from the autobiography of Jagan itself), i can understand your feelings associated with this page. You have created that article and i know its difficult for us to see our articles getting deteriorated. So, cheers, I won't add anything anymore. One thing, i have gone through some of your articles and i appreciate the way you have created them. I want to know, do you have British era images of other caste groups, like you have added on Kurmi and Jat. Admantine123 (talk) 15:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. The ethnology pictures are not mine, i.e. not privately owned by me. They were taken from old books, available on the web.

I also enjoyed writing V. S. Naipaul. Section 1.6 makes a reference to that trip during which he met Jagan. I read Middle Passage then. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

The article indian mathematics was constantly vandalised by users by adding false information. User narayan ventakeshwar iyenger and Arjun Kumar Singh is constantly adding that unsourced reference that you have removed.It is doubt that they were of the same user. Leveinhockerkerala (talk) 10:41, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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jagged 85 edits are still present in many Wikipedia articles like nilkantha somyaji and Tantrasamgraha. Leveinhockerkerala (talk) 09:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll take a look at some of them. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:00, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Fowler&Fowler, I'm passionate about improving South Asian articles. Your contributions, especially with India, have impressed me. The article on Pakistan seems to be a mess - do you want to take a stab at it? Your expertise would be invaluable. Please let me know if you're interested. Best regards, Wrythemann (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks for posting. As the top of my user page says, I have some other projects that I need to move to the front burner.

Wiki Project Pakistan editors have asked me the same question over the years (probably because I wrote History of Pakistan long ago and some pages on IVC- and neolithic sites in Pakistan), but, sadly, I'm flat out of time now.

Thanks again. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:03, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey,
I'm sorry for the inadequate summary. I was using a user script called Auto Formatter for MOS formatting and the automated summary was "General formatting" piped to MOS. That caused the confusion. It was all just blank space deletions, ref name fixing and general trims. Just standard MOS beautification. Should've mentioned it in the summary. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Please leave a note on the various talk pages. I'm worried that in at least one, you've taken away the credit given to the primary author of a chapter in an edited book and distributed it among the editors. I might be incorrect in that suspicioun, but please explain that bit on the talk pages. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Must be a glitch with the script. Even ProveIt makes that sometimes, and I cross checks it wverytime. No probs. I'll go through them all. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Have a look at these changes by an obvious caste POV pusher. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Thank you for helping out! Have taken care of it as best I could. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Will you also remove all the fringe studies by kak and others claiming indigenous origin as well? As none of those are mentioned in the "introductory texts" from the 90s either? Should there not be some consistency to what is removed or not? Metta79 (talk) 15:16, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Please take to the article's talk page and tell us what you have been attempting to do. Please do so systematically. The WP:ONUS as I explained is yours. It is WP policy. Such major revisions simply cannot be made in longstanding articles in run throughs with casual edit summaries. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

i did take it to the talk page. Metta79 (talk) 16:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I admit I was wrong too since the guideline says ISO 15919 and not IAST, but I was only wrong on one alphabet. So the correct transliteration would be neither of ours; it would be Javāharalāla Nēharū (note the ē).

The reason behind the Indic scripts by Wikipedia's guidelines is not because of the language of origin, but rather the country. The guideline is only for Indian names to avoid bias towards any script, and not due to technical reasons (for example, Nepali names are written in Devanagari and Bangladeshi names in Bengali because they are the only official scripts of their countries). So it doesn't matter whether Nehar is from an Arabic, Persian or Urdu origin. Jawaharlal Nehru was an Indian so it's gonna follow the guideline nonetheless. I don't make the rules, it is just how it is. You could have both if you want, as long as it doesn't look complicated.

PS. You asked why Noam Chomsky or Azerbaijan can have respell but Jawaharlal Nehru can't. I looked up both and found no respell on either of their articles. Not related to the topic, just putting that out. Pur 0 0 (talk) 14:48, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Why were my edits on Subhas Chandra Bose undone? Firekong1 (talk) 14:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Please open a thread on the article's talk page please. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:18, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Of course. The thread is here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Subhas_Chandra_Bose#Category Firekong1 (talk) 00:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I'm learning a lot from the ongoing "debate" and the sources you're providing. Thanks. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:43, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. I try. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

You apparently couldn't see what is grammatically wrong with "he along with Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi and other leaders were arrested and put behind bars". "He" is the subject of the sentence; "he" is singular. The verb must match the subject. If you leave the sentence as it is, you have to change "were" to "was". Alternatively, you change the wording to make "He, Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi and other leaders" the subject of the sentence. So I'll be re-doing the correction I just made. Deb (talk) 14:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

(Talk page watcher) Sorry Deb, but you are wrong in this instance. "He" is not the subject. The actual subject of the verb is "he along with Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi and other leaders" so a plural verb is required. Try asking "who or what were arrested" and you'll see that it must be Bose, Ajazi and others. There's also another problem; phrasing it as "he, Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi, and other leaders" is at best ambiguous. It would appear to be a parenthetical phrase: "he (Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi) and other leaders" which is wrong, "he" is Bose not Ajazi. I'm sorry, but I shall be correcting the error back to the original. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Martin of Sheffield - but I have already fixed the problem - and uncovered a more serious problem (that the source only supports that Ajazi was arrested on the march).-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:35, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I saw when I tried to rollback Deb's changes. You were working on the article whilst I was working on the talk page. The article is clearer now. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks all and apologies to all!

I made that first edit on my phone soon after waking up this morning. In other words, I was still semi-comatose.

As for the article, unfortunately, I had got only as far as the previous paragraph. I can tell by the sources used. (I did add the Nirad Chaudhuri quote, though, his satirical skills in full form. Unfortunately, that sort of Standard Indian English is hard to find in Indian writing any more. As I've said before, Sidney Greenbaum had once expressed the hope that Indian English might become a regional variety, if not in the manner of Canadian and Australian English, at least in that of Caribbean English—hopefully codified in grammars and dictionaries. Unfortunately, the internet killed that idea.) Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

PS The paragraph also says that Bose became the CEO of the Calcutta Municipal Corporation in 1924. I had always thought CEO was an Americanism. But the OED places its birth in Australia:

Chief executive officer, the highest-ranking executive of a corporation or other institution.

1914: Of course I am the chief executive officer but I only execute by instructions... ‘Then all our beautiful shrubs are to be spoilt,’ sobbed the telephoner. ‘Not at all, my dear young lady,’ the C.E.O.'s voice was tear laden too. Independent (Footscray, Australia) 7 November

It would be interesting to know if it had really made it to India by 1924. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:01, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

There are major problems in Bhaskaracharya article.

• The sub section of calculus in the section of mathematics is given as

In computing the instantaneous motion of a planet, the time interval between successive positions of the planets was no greater than a truti, or a 1⁄33750 of a second, and his measure of velocity was expressed in this infinitesimal unit of time.

But no reference is given to support it.

• In that same sub section it is given as

He also showed that when a planet is at its farthest from the earth, or at its closest, the equation of the centre (measure of how far a planet is from the position in which it is predicted to be, by assuming it is to move uniformly) vanishes. He therefore concluded that for some intermediate position the differential of the equation of the centre is equal to zero

With no reference to support it. Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 13:36, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

" 09:20, 20 October 2023‎ Fowler&fowler talk contribs‎ 287,227 bytes −29‎ Restored revision 1180953964 by Codegeass123 (talk): Polar opposite: You are not the first one who has attempted to play Gotcha with the lead sentences in vital WP articles. Take your concerns to talk. Please also read WP:Lead fixation updated since your last visit undothank Tags: Twinkle Undo"

As requested, I am bringing my concerns to your talk page.

Would you mind explaining what I did wrong? I do not understand what you mean by "attempted to play Gotcha". I read WP:Lead fixation, but I do not see how it is relevant to your reversion of my edit. Could you explain how it is relevant? Polar Apposite (talk) 14:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I didn't mean my talk page. I meant the article's talk page. Explain there why your edit is needed. That's all. The WP:ONUS is yours, not mine. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:45, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Took a turn at it. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:34, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I saw. Will post something soon. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi! So while reviewing my watchlist I noticed a discussion from July at Talk:Gilgit-Baltistan about a map issue on Commons.

So I was curious and was wondering the issue ever raised with the offending user in an effective manner?

I see that the user maintains a centralized talk at Wiktionary. Looking through the diffs of that time period I see nothing related (with the exception of an uncivil message by someone else that appears to be about a general warning about behavior on Wiktionary itself).

Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 09:06, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Luckily, the high-res map File:Kashmir region. LOC 2003626427 - showing sub-regions administered by different countries.jpg has not been fiddled with. But we all have to keep our eyes peeled, as the map appears in many more Kashmir-related pages (e.g. districts and district capitals) than the previous lower-res version did.

So, editing that map, while keeping the file's name the same, could do much more damage, encyclopedically.

I don't know if I've answered your question, but that is where things stand. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 09:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Should the flag and coat of arms of East India Company be used in the infobox of the article Company Raj? Lamba Chaura (talk) 14:19, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Will fix. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

The flags and other bells and whistles of info box upliftment have been removed. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:22, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Please have a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DaDeadzombie. You will remember them from Talk:Varanasi-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I have just woken up. I need some caffeine in my blood and brain before I can think. The beans have been ground and the concoction is dripping in the coffeemaker. I will take a look when I'm restored.

I'm not surprised. He/she/they were an easy one, but there are others who engage in WP:Civil POV pushing, share their diffs with each other, and obfuscate beyond belief. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Have a look at these changes. Use of 'Kashmir (XYZ-administered)' is cluttering the lead in my opinion. Secondly, do we need all these in the lead sentence? Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:34, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah. That page is a content fork, maybe even a POV-fork. It should be AFD'd in my view, but it won't happen now. It has been around for too long. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

The Kram (surnames) section, for example, is OR. The entire section should be removed. It seems to be full of Kashmiri Pandit POV, bordering on fantasy. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hi there, Can you please reply here, Need your assistance!. 2400:ADC1:477:8500:C07:E7EE:3D56:FA35 (talk) 17:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey there just dropped by to express my thanks for all the hard work you have put in for over a decade into the South Asian topic area you have been the only editor (seriously you are the only one) who has tried to keep a semblance of neutrality in an ocean of pro Indian and Hindutva propagandists its hard and many do not even bother as they dont want the harassment and stress when fighting over a billion brainwashed keyboard warriors from India but you stuck it out and made some great changes and contributions on various articles this new saga of Indians trying to turn every war into a victory (Indo-Pak 1947 war point in case) for India will never end they are just too many of them and they coordinate behind the scenes with edits using multiple accounts and editors backing each other everyone admin/editor knows this but again they dont want to entangle themselves in the toxic Hindu nationalist cyber wars which are so common now on Wikipedia.

You stated Wikipedia has become a joke its far worse than that its misinformation hotspot now and when it finally does lose its remaining credibility and is thrown into the garbage where it belongs you are one of the few editors that can hold there head up high and say they you used it not for propaganda or historical revisionism but for good. I wish you all the best Fowler Wikipedia does not deserve you let it rot and fester as a propaganda tool for these low lifes of the BJP/Hindutva gang take care farewell. Mrdabalina (talk) 19:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi there. I understand that you edited the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947–1948 page to restate a UN-mandated ceasefire but then undid such to show an "inkling of Indian-nationalist bias", and I understand your frustration. However, despite the mass bias shown across this encyclopedia, its best you undo this self-reversion and restore it to the scholarly consensus. Thanks. MrGreen1163 (talk) 23:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

If the page gets reverted again, it will come to that for others to deal and you won't need to worry about it, and that will shown the "inkling" of bias as you stated beforehand, however undoing your self-reversion will at least maintain the scholarly consensus for the time being. Thanks. MrGreen1163 (talk) 23:14, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

After seeing your trials and tribulation of resolving the "flag issue" that has been going on for years, I thought it was time to create an FAQ section to end the nonsense. But can I copy what you said for my draft: Briefly, the Raj was an empire a loose-knit federation of areas that were administered by the British (called British India) and over 500 princely states which flew their own flags, and which were at best only indirectly ruled. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 01:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Fowler&fowler The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 01:35, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler wanted an opinion here a Indian user has come with the Indian express newspaper as a legitimate source to remove long standing lead section regarding Indias false claims on shooting down an f-16 non consensus at all and the reasoning as expected is just as weak based on conspiracy theories. Mrdabalina (talk) 10:38, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, is it necessary to use the phrase 'XYZ-administered' in the infobox like this? Looks cluttered in my opinion. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you, Johnbod, and the same to you. A beautiful card it is. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:45, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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	Hello Fowler&fowler: Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz(T) 20:29, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 00:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I have moved some of your great files to Commons:

1. File:DurraniEmpire1793shepherd.jpg
2. File:India british expansion 1805a.jpg
3. File:Pope1880BengalPres2.jpg
4. File:Pope1880BombayPres2.jpg
5. File:Pope1880BritishIndia1.jpg
6. File:Pope1880MadrasPres2.jpg
7. File:Pope1880NorthWesternProv2.jpg
8. File:Pope1880Oudh2.jpg
9. File:Pope1880Rajputana2.jpg

Some of them was moved to Commons earlier with a bad license. So I transferred them again so now they should have a good license. If you agree you can remove the ((Keep local)).

I think all the maps from 1909 Imperial Gazetteer of India are good to move too (per c:Category:The Imperial Gazetteer of India). --MGA73 (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi! Why do you think that this photo should not be copied to Commons? As far as I can tell it is PD in India and in the US.

I do not know if you saw (User_talk:Fowler&fowler/Archive_31#Moved_some_files_to_Commons) but I moved some photos to Commons before. --MGA73 (talk) 18:51, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hello there. PotatoCyborg seems to be adding content that reads like a news article. I had reverted, but they seem to keep reverting back the content rather than addressing the issue. I am not very active, so please intervene on this issue. — LeoFrank  ^Talk 15:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hey, Can I export a part of this map of India to Wikimedia Commons? I'm writing an article on the history of Rohilkhand, and couldn't find any other map showing Rohilkhand along with Oudh state and other neighbor states in clear detail. SO I plan to crop it in part and upload to WikiMedia Commons.

It will be great if you can grant me the permission to do so. Ashishb04 (talk) 16:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I noticed your changes to the information I provided on Stanley Henry Prater - sorry I am not very familiar with how wiki works.

Stanley was my grandfather, his youngest daughter Gwynneth is my mother. I have gained most of my information from my mother and grandmother and various documents they have passed to me. I am pretty positive about Stanley's heritage from the DNA of both myself and my mother. Happy to pass on any information required AlisonBPS (talk) 18:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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Seven years!

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I am about to put Hensley Henson up for FAC, but as I have my right arm in plaster after an operation last week I am waiting till I have the use of both hands again. Meanwhile, if you have time and inclination to look in - now or when I get to FAC - it will be esteemed a favour. Tim riley talk 19:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you. Here's wishing you a quick recovery from your arm surgery.

As for Henson, the biography of anyone who is buried in the cathedral in which Creighton attended Sunday service as a boy should be of interest to me. I have been away from WP for nearly a year, so it may take me a few days to ramp up, get the old neurons sparking, but I will get there. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I look forward to it. He's now at FAC (and I have the use of both hands again). Tim riley talk 17:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Good to hear. I'll write something soon at FAC, a starter, but passing to buck to a subpage, where I can be less organized. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hey, I noticed it appears that you are replying to every single comment in the ongoing RfC at Talk:Kamala Harris#RFC: How to refer to the African ancestry of Kamala Harris?. This is just a friendly reminder to let the process run its course and to not accidentally WP:BLUDGEON it with replies to every comment. Raladic (talk) 14:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@Raladic: I must thank you for your very timely intervention. As ideas galore were popping into my head, I got carried away, not so much in pushing a POV, but teasing some clarity here and there ... and soon enough everywhere. I have reduced my footprint. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

No worries, happens to all of us when we get carried away and sometimes it takes a third eye to spot it :) Happy editing. Raladic (talk) 15:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Your recent Bold edit was Reverted. Per BRD, it's time for us to Discuss this on the talk page. Please don't edit war by reinstating the edit. Let's see if a consensus can form to keep it or an alternate version.

You have violated enforced BRD on a CTOP. You must follow the bold-revert-discuss cycle if your change is reverted. You may not reinstate your edit until you post a talk page message discussing your edit and have waited 24 hours from the time of this talk page message. Further, you have made an edit that is currently under discussion in an RfC. This is a sanctionable action. I suggest you self-revert before someone else notices.[1] O3000, Ret. (talk) 14:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

You have to offer a transparent and cogent reason for reverting. You did nothing of the sort. You cannot just revert a statement that has the support of three scholarly sources, one of which is Yolanda T. Moses, the former president of the American Anthropological Association. I will be happy to discuss it, but my edit will remain in place until you have offered a reason for your revert in an edit summary that is a little more than, "Is there a scintilla of doubt?" You are welcome to take me to ANI before I join the discussion if you'd like, but beware of the boomerang. I have cited to the scholarly sources, Wikipedia's "most reliable." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

F&F, while yes, having sources is good, that doesn't revert-proof an edit. In a CTOP area that is under a 1RR (which Kamala Harris is under) ... when you are reverted for any reason you need to discuss on the talk page. Not add the information back in and invite boomerangs, because this is clear-cut and you can be sanctioned for it. If I saw this brought up at WP:Arbitration Enforcement, I'd have to support a sanction, so for your own best interests, self-revert. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:13, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Ealdgyth: for the timely warning. I've self-reverted. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll open the talk page discussion later when I've examined some more sources; also I have some errands to run. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

There is already an RfC on how to discuss her race/ethnicity. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Can some admins please help out here?

• I added a sentence, "Kamala Harris self-identifies as a Black woman of ..." in this edit which was cited to a scholarly source, using "self identifies" as well.
• O3000 changed "self-identifies as" to "is" in this edit with edit summary, "Is there a scintilla of doubt?"
• I then reverted their edit and added two more scholarly sources for KH's "self identification," both using that expression.
• Question: Is O3000's edit a revert? They seem to think it is, but they have put their own spin on something I had added; they hadn't removed my edit. After I self-reverted, what is in place there now is their edit for which I did all the hard work.

@Ealdgyth, RegentsPark, Valereee, Abecedare, Drmies, and MelanieN: Please clarify if you can, when you can. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Kamala Harris is Black and Asian-Indian. The sourcing for this is huge. When the words "self identifies as" are used before this, the text will appear to many readers to say that she is just claiming to be such, and may not really be -- as that is exactly what her opponent is doing at this moment, claiming she just suddenly decided to be Black, contrary to her life story. But that is not why I edited it. I edited it because, as you well know, there is an active RfC on the very subject of how to refer to her race/ethnicity. You made the change before RfC close. Now, perhaps I should have reverted your entire addition. I decided not to remove all of it without discussion, as per BRD. You can if you wish. As for your "scholarly sources", they clearly appear cherry-picked and your addition of such sources in the RfC discussion has drawn little or no interest as we are talking about the bio of a living person who's life may be changed dramatically in the near future. But that discussion belongs in the RfC. Patience will out. O3000, Ret. (talk) 20:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The important bits of policy are at Wikipedia:Edit warring at WP:1RR where a 1RR is defined as "The one-revert rule is analogous to the three-revert rule as described above, with the words "more than three reverts" replaced by "more than one revert"." so we look up at the 3RR section which states a revert is "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes or manually reverses other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part." so... given that definition above ... sure looks like a revert to me. It's the "in part" bit that gets folks a lot. Reverting isn't just "hitting undo" it's a lot more complicated. And, no, admins won't weigh in on the content dispute going on, so I have no clue who is "right" in this situation. I will say that trying to change the information while an RFC is ongoing about that same information is not a good look and should not be done in CTOP areas, whether or not there are sources behind an edit. That attempt would not have helped your case if this had gone to WP:AE. More talk page discussion without personalizing it is your best course of action here. Ealdgyth (talk) 21:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, Thank you very much @Ealdgyth: I've learned a few things. I'll stay away from editing in the RfC topic area. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to make inappropriate or abusive edit summaries or comments, you may be blocked from editing. What on Earth were you thinking when you put Reply to facile attempt to ensnare me in your edit summary? This is a wild accusation. O3000, Ret. (talk) 15:15, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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Latest AP notice appears to be four years ago, before DS changed to CTOP. Of course you can add AP to your aware list. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

O3000, Ret., I think F&f is cool--they don't have any political problem here, I don't think. I think they just took the "identifies as" phrase, which is so fashionable, a bit more serious than you and I might. Drmies (talk) 23:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, they've been pushing this quite heavily for some time on the article TP. But I don't think it's political on his part either. Perhaps overly academic. Oops, I'm talking to someone in academe. CTOP is a pain. As I say on my UP: Only a fool or a masochist would edit Wikipedia controversial articles. I prefer to think of myself as a fool. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

O3000, Please read my reply to the one-drop-rule post on Talk Kamala Harris if you think I have some kind of racial issue a la Trump. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

F&F, I don't think anyone thinks that. Just move on. Drmies (talk) 00:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Drmies. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:15, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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A pleasant surprise! Thank you very much. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Capitals00 (talk) 05:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

You are well aware that all your claims were conclusively addressed more than a year ago. You don't have to resume edit warring now with the same points. Capitals00 (talk) 05:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Please don't plaster experienced editor's pages with canned templates Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

You can respond here:[2]] Capitals00 (talk) 11:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for edit warring, as you did at Mahatma Gandhi. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: ((unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~)).  Bbb23 (talk) 17:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I thought I had asked for a three month block Bbb23. Why such a measly award? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I disagree with how F&F approached the issue (and have a slightly nuanced take on the locus of the content) but the block feels too long, Bbb23; the other side barely put any effort in maintaining appropriate standards of sourcing, etc. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @TrangaBellam: for the support. @Bbb23: knows their work. I don't think the punishment is too severe. Thanks again. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Antony-22: I can't edit other pages for the next three days, and I'm not sure I can edit this page for anything but block related business, but I saw your post on Talk: Kamala Harris. Yes, please consider my vote to be a support for a split. You don't even need to bring the the old early childhood section back as the phrasing now is much better. Just ignore my old vote and let the split stay as is. Apologies for the rigmarole. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I can edit this page for anything but block related business. You're right. I'll let this comment slide, but please don't do it again.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Bbb23: for your clear and considerate replies. My block has ended. I look forward to editing more thoughtfully than I had. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:46, 17 August 2024 (UTC)