The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the debate may be found at the bottom of the discussion.

I recently found the following on the "Persian garden" (note the singular) talk page:

This article greatly overlaps the Paradise garden article, and should be merged into it. Unless material can be found on the later uniquely Iranian gardens, eg. those of Esfahan. Imc 18:50, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It is interesting that in 2004, it was suggested that "Persian garden" be merged into "Paradise garden"; now it has been suggested that "Paradise garden" be merged into "Persian Gardens." [Note the singular and plural.] While a "Paradise Garden" may have originally been akin to a style of Persian garden, it has now become (through folk and outsider art) something bearing its own nature, and the article should not be merged. Just imagine...Howard Finster having creating a Persian garden! Meanwhile, I have no problem with merging the "bagh" and "charbagh" articles into "Persian gardens."

So: here are my votes, using the rationale above:

• Oppose - the merger of "Paradise Garden" into the "Persian Gardens" article; it is now its own art form and should remain separate.
• Support - the merger of "Bagh" and "Charbagh" into the "Persian Gardens" article.

I am concurrently posting this on the "Persian garden" and "Persian gardens" talk page, and copying the 2004 section on the "Persian garden" talk page to the "Persian gardens" talk page. StavinChain (talk) 20:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Great, let's open debates on three different pages! - there's one open somewhere else, I forget where. The fact is we have Charbagh, Bagh (garden), Persian gardens, Paradise garden, Mughal gardens, Islamic garden, all poor and all essentially on the same thing. Johnbod (talk) 21:27, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Support any & all merges of the above articles, ideally to Persian garden tradition. Now where is that other debate? And who is Howard Finster? Johnbod (talk) 21:34, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose-- While legend and obvious comparisons have it that the main plan and design of charbaghs in India resemble those of the paradise/chaharbaghs in Persia, there are some fundamental differences like the placing and position of the tomb building (central to the function of Charbagh as a paradise metaphor) that have been changed in the Indian examples. See Ebba Koch for more details on Taj Mahal specifically. Also there is only one manual on gardening found from the Indian scenario which does not even once mention the charbagh. Noopur28 (talk) 09:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's just one issue - what about the others? Charbagh, Bagh (garden), Persian gardens, Paradise garden, Islamic garden? Johnbod (talk) 20:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no clear present consensus to merge the articles. MBisanz ^talk 18:46, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.