Discussió:Escuts d'armes papals
Utilitzeu el fitxer 
que no s'ajusta ni al disseny original de l'escut de Calixt III ni a les regles de l'heràldica (colors plans, sense ombres), com aquest 
, que encara que no tan estètic, si compleix les normes i que és més semblant al que es mostra aquí (que Aldebretch va utilitzar de model) 
o a aquesta imatge del Insígnia pontificum Romanorum et cardinalium I, aquesta del sostre de Santa Maria Major o aquesta altra, contemporània a la seva pontificat (juntament amb les armes del seu nebot, el futur Alexandre VI ), amb el bou pasturant i amb la tiara. El seu argument per canviar és que a ell li agrada més l'altre. Una salutació cordial.--Echando una mano (disc.) 06:56, 3 des 2013 (CET)
- Your "rules of heraldry" are a bunch of lies! Fry1989 (disc.) 22:47, 3 des 2013 (CET)
- La teva opinió no interessa. Hi ha unes regles. Si no us agraden, no col·laboris.--Echando una mano (disc.) 00:20, 4 des 2013 (CET)
- You lie! Just because you don't like the Ingerem Codex, you try and say it's not a valid source. You have no proof of that! Fry1989 (disc.) 02:16, 4 des 2013 (CET)
- Be quiet and calm. I see that it's impossible to converse with you without insulting me. If you think that you are right, make formal complaints and that the administrators resolve the divergence. --Echando una mano (disc.) 02:57, 4 des 2013 (CET)
- @Fry1989:, (I assume you understand Catalan), si us plau, manteniu la compostura, intenteu dialogar, eviteu acusar i desqualificar a qui pensa diferent, aporteu fonts i arguments. –Cœt · mascletà 19:12, 4 des 2013 (CET)
- No, I can not understand Catalan without the aid of a translator, but I have insulted no one. I've told the truth, that Echando una mano has no source or proof that the Ingeram Codex is wrong or fake. The only reason they are opposing it is because they don't like the design because it doesn't follow their "rules of heraldry", rules that are not the law and not everybody has to follow them. The Ingeram Codex is a valid source whether Echando una mano thinks so or not, until they can prove it's fake. Fry1989 (disc.) 22:52, 5 des 2013 (CET)
- @Fry1989:, (I assume you understand Catalan), si us plau, manteniu la compostura, intenteu dialogar, eviteu acusar i desqualificar a qui pensa diferent, aporteu fonts i arguments. –Cœt · mascletà 19:12, 4 des 2013 (CET)
- Be quiet and calm. I see that it's impossible to converse with you without insulting me. If you think that you are right, make formal complaints and that the administrators resolve the divergence. --Echando una mano (disc.) 02:57, 4 des 2013 (CET)
- You lie! Just because you don't like the Ingerem Codex, you try and say it's not a valid source. You have no proof of that! Fry1989 (disc.) 02:16, 4 des 2013 (CET)
- La teva opinió no interessa. Hi ha unes regles. Si no us agraden, no col·laboris.--Echando una mano (disc.) 00:20, 4 des 2013 (CET)
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