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Question from Benji Sherman (18:30, 20 May 2024)

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How do i create my own wiki --Benji Sherman (talk) 18:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Benji Sherman WP:TUTORIAL WP:BACKWARD and WP:YFA may be of help to you. Creating an acceptable WP-article without having any experience in WP-editing is difficult, but if you have chosen an acceptable topic, it can be done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Extended confirmed request

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Hello ,

there is an extended confirmed request on the talk page Ezhava , requesting you to look at it.

thank you 207.96.13.213 (talk) 19:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made a comment there, not really my area. You may have better luck at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from KyleLGaming1993 (05:57, 12 June 2024)

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so i was editing a List of Deadliest Catch episodes on the wiki to update a lot of info on them but I see that Neovu79 was also edint some stuff as well but I don't know what they were trying to edit and im not sure how I can with very easy looking around talk to them to find out as I never really use wiki to talk on before at all much less edit anything on here but all im wanting to know is based on there 2 edits what they were editing and changing cause I was working on the sessions 10 - 19 and I seen he had made or tried to make changes to the 20 one but I already did that one as well .. im just not sure how to ask them what they worked on any idea? --KyleLGaming1993 (talk) 05:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@KyleLGaming1993 Hi! It would be easier to understand your message if you used (more) punctuation, but then, I mostly edit on a laptop. This edit [1] you did doesn't seem to have done what you intended per your edit summary (but it's good that you use edit summaries when you edit articles, it helps others understand what you are doing), so it's not strange someone reverted it. I know nothing about the TV-series, so I have no opinion on what should go into it.
You can talk to Neovu79 at User talk:Neovu79. The place to discuss the series is Talk:Deadliest Catch, but you never know if people are watching, and remember that people are in different time-zones, sleep etc. A more general place where interested people may hang out is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Expaticer81 (13:39, 17 June 2024)

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Hey there. Can you show me where I can find the boxes for language skills for the user page? And how can I insert them?

Greetings, Expaticer --Expaticer81 (talk) 13:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Expaticer81 Hello! Is this what you're after? Wikipedia:Babel/List. Just copypaste the relevant code and put it on your userpage. More at Wikipedia:Userboxes. For example, ((User de-3)) turns into
de-3Dieser Benutzer hat sehr gute Deutschkenntnisse.
Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, thank you very much! Expaticer81 (talk) 13:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel

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Some time ago you suggested I should watch The Story of David. I did. It's taken a while for me to make a comprehensive review/reply, the main reason being that the story of the young 'Samuel in the Temple' is my favourite story ever from that book. "Samuel. Samuel!" "What is it, master? Why did you call me?" "I didn't call you. Go back to sleep." Etc. Thus Eli. But in the film Shmuel is portrayed as anointing David in his sleep, making him king by a subterfuge, without his acceptance or acknowledgement. Which in my view is the ultimate crime. Is the case? I don't know or care, but that film shattered my last remaining childhood link to my parents' religion. Which I suppose is good, but it takes time. MinorProphet (talk) 16:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canvassing discussion - using AI to summarise

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Hi @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, you look like you work in the closures area, or may simply be interested in this! you're the only person i've sent this to so far. We could potentially start using AI to assist with closures, you've likely seen AI expanding into various areas of life. For example as a mini-trial (or better term) I was thinking of a collapsible summary at the start of the canvassing discussion, with something like "Hi all, i see you've been waiting for a closure of for a week here's a gpt4o summary, while you're waiting, be warned it may contain hallucinations: 'Input: summarise this discussion please: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Notifying_Wikiprojects_and_WP:CANVASS

Output: The discussion on the Wikipedia Village Pump (policy) page centers around whether notifying WikiProjects about relevant discussions constitutes inappropriate canvassing. Opinions vary, with some editors arguing that notifying relevant WikiProjects helps improve article quality by involving interested editors, while others caution against biased canvassing that could skew discussions. The consensus leans towards allowing notifications, provided they are neutral and not intended to influence outcomes unduly. The need for clear guidelines on appropriate notifications is emphasized to prevent misuse while encouraging collaborative improvement of articles.'

Actual closures still need close human supervision, but we can start using AI to automate elements of the process e.g. a timely first draft?"

What do you think? Hope editing going well, Tom B (talk) 18:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tpbradbury, hello! Per stuff like [2][3] my default assumption is that using AI in the WP-context is probably evil.
That said, this sounds like an interesting experiment. I think editors would be interested in a way that could speed up rfcl, IF (<- BIG if). Consider taking this to Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab), with an appnote at Wikipedia talk:Closure requests. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC:_The_Anti-Defamation_League could be another "test-case" and you could perhaps show a couple of "this is what the AI would have said" examples of closed cases. A few: [4][5][6]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thanks for response, yes i was concerned some people are currently fearful of AI. I've done a few examples of skeleton article structures by AI, on some talkpages, and didn't get a massive response! i might leave it for a bit then go to idea lab, like you say. thanks again, Tom B (talk) 20:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This could be interesting in the afd-area as well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI ping to The Wordsmith in case reading long discussions [7] makes you want to try something new, though perhaps a little controversial. And thanks for taking on that mega-thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping. It's an interesting idea, but I can't trust AI enough yet especially for something so important. It might be an interesting idea to analyze certain decisions after they've already been closed though. The WordsmithTalk to me 22:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thank you, true. also it's not a case of using AI unsupervised ever. It's about using it to assist, it always requires close supervision given hallucinations, Tom B (talk) 08:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tpbradbury@The Wordsmith, if you're interested, I came across this [8] which I think is more ai-use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is absolutely ChatGPT. The WordsmithTalk to me 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interested? Wår (talk) 06:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My knee-jerk reaction is WP:SUSTAINED. Just because something is in the news now doesn't necessarily mean there should be a WP-article on it now. Glad Midsommar! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How do you understand Current event in Wikipedia term? Wår (talk) 08:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Something ongoing that started fairly recently, like Anti-Defamation_League#Wikipedia_determination_of_unreliability? I don't think people generally refer to Israeli–Palestinian conflict as a current event. If a WP-article says "this is a current event", it's probably written wrong per MOS:CURRENT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. That's in your own opinion. Thank you for your attention. Wår (talk) 09:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the article is not WP:SUSTAINED, Why have you not nominated it for deletion? Feel free to do so and see the article's talk page before doing it.
Best regards. Wår (talk) 09:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because you told me it exists I don’t have to afd it, I’m in no hurry to do so. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great things happened here. Take a look at User_talk:Daniel Case#Urgent attention needed
I like your good gestures. Wår (talk) 17:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to have been taken care of. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. Wår (talk) 18:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciation

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Some of the quotes on your userpage are really quite great; thanks for sharing them. 🌻 IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 19:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I like your Huxley. Reminds me of Michael Palin in Monty Python's The Meaning of Life. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for opinion

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Hello @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I request you to participate at Chairperson#Requested move 16 June 2024. PadFoot2008 04:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look, but no immediate opinion springs to mind. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

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Talk:Simon_Ekpa#Ekpa leads Armed revolt.

I am much interested in war and conflict perspectives on Wikipedia. Nevertheless, you can object. Wår (talk) 06:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Charleen Kinser

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On 30 June 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Charleen Kinser, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a mail-order catalogue offered a "Rocking Ram" toy, designed by Charleen Kinser, for US$1,600 in 1985? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Charleen Kinser. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Charleen Kinser), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Mai Kanuri (King of Kanuri Enugu) (11:43, 5 July 2024)

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I want my profile to be publish. Is it possible --Mai Kanuri (King of Kanuri Enugu) (talk) 11:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mai Kanuri (King of Kanuri Enugu), welcome to Wikipedia. I'm sorry, I don't have an informed opinion. Afaict, English Wikipedia has no idea what a Mai Kanuri is, and I see no mention of the title at Kanuri people.
You can try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nigeria, the people who hang out there may know more. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from EncreViolette (16:03, 9 July 2024)

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Hello, and nice to meet you. I've created a few drafts for pages. I'm still not sure what happens next. I submitted one for review. (Draft:Frankenstein (2014 musical) There's some information that's needed that I don't have access to. I asked someone to send it, they sent it in Korean, neither they nor I can translate it. I've also created a draft for another musical called Cross Road. If it's not too much of a bother, may I ask what's needed for that one?

Sorry for bothering you. Thank you. --EncreViolette (talk) 16:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@EncreViolette Hello! On foreign languages you don't know, one method is to use google translate, hope for the best, and then ask in places like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea if someone can please check your writing for horrible errors. It's not perfect, but it can work fairly well. You have submitted Draft:Frankenstein (2014 musical) for review, what happens next is... you wait. A reviewer will eventually accept it or tell you why they won't.
On Draft:Cross Road (musical), that looks like a good start to me. If possible, you should improve the reception section. For any WP-article, your first hurdle is always WP:NOTABILITY, and in an article like this, the sources you want for that are often some kind of reviews. As long as you have at least 3-5 WP:N-good sources, things should be ok. Since I don't know Japanese and can't tell a Japanese The Times from a Japanese blog, I have no idea if you have that.
One thing you can do if you want is using Template:Interlanguage link if you know that some of the people you mention have ja-WP articles but not en-WP ones.
One example is Kento Kiuchi [ja]. You write it like so: ((ill|Kento Kiuchi|ja|木内健人)).
Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, okay, thanks. (His name is actually Ki*no*uchi, but a lot of people confused that in Japanese as well). Thanks! EncreViolette (talk) 12:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,
I have added more sources to the draft for Cross Road. I get the sense that a top-5 newspaper is an ideal source, and a "blog", or something that looks like a press release (because it doesn't have a byline?), would not be a good source. But real life is full of things in between that.
I've found a bunch of sources that are not top-5 papers, but not just blogs, either. They don't seem like hard-cutting journalism, but some had bylines. Some were interviews with the cast. There were some with amazing photos taken by the outlet's staff, with no credit besides "staff". They weren't hard-cutting journalism, but they're an indication that someone thinks people care about this show. (tl;dr), Are those good sources?
The top 5 papers seem to only cover the top 10 or so theatrical productions, out of hundreds every year. The magazine Musical had critics vote on the top musicals of 2023. 47 new productions received votes, and of my personal top 3, only one received any votes at all (the directors of the two productions that didn't get votes did get them, though). That's just an indication of how much theatre there is here. Should the top-5 newspapers cover more? I personally think they should, but I'm just one person. I have asked Broadway World and The Japan Times why they don't cover more theatre in Japan. I haven't yet gotten a response. Are the productions that didn't get covered by Musical's awards notable? One was from Korea and has had several runs, and probably more coverage, there, and might have had more international runs besides in Japan. It's on my list to make a page for, but not at the top since I don't speak Korean. The work itself seems notable just because of how many runs it's had. The other had a lot of press coverage, and a review in Musical, so I would try it, but since the source material has a page already, it's not at the top of my list.
I've added the interlanguage link that you suggested, and I will add more. I have started a page for Theater Creation, the venue. I need to do more research, but I find it interesting. I will probably be able to find more sources. EncreViolette (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are those good sources? I have no idea. Some may be, some may be more or less WP:ABOUTSELF, etc. "Good" depends on context, and sources that do not support the case for WP:N may be useful anyway for various facts etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
> I've found a bunch of sources (online magazines and news outlets that seem to have replaced paper theatre magazines) that are not top-5 newspapers, but not just blogs, either. They don't seem like hard-cutting journalism, but some had bylines. Some were interviews with the cast. There were some with amazing photos taken by the outlet's staff, with no credit besides "staff". They weren't hard-cutting journalism, but they're an indication that someone thinks people care about this show.
What I'm asking is if what I just described would count for anything for notability. EncreViolette (talk) 08:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, I have no idea. They may be WP:BLOG-ish, WP:RSPDEADLINE-ish or something else-ish. They need to be independent and cover the article-subject in some detail. Use your best judgement, and assume that the reviewer will use their's. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
EncreViolette.tte, I have no idea why you have fixated on the notion of top 5 newspapers but that concept is of zero value on Wikipedia for evaluating sources. All we care about is reliability. If the top 2 newspaper in a given media market is a lying piece of trash, then we don't use it. If the #27 outlet upholds journalistic standards, then we use it. Cullen328 (talk) 09:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What I mean is that the newspapers of record here do not cover theater as extensively as the New York Times does. Some people were saying that if it isn't in a national newspaper of record, it isn't notable. I searched the theater sections of those newspapers, and saw that only a very, very small portion of plays are covered by them, and that some that are not do already have English Wikipedia pages.
The anime and manga project lists the source I've found as reliable, even though it isn't one of the three newspapers listed for Japan on the newspapers of record page. I guess my question has been answered. Thank you. I hope the pages make it through review. EncreViolette (talk) 11:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the link to the list. I hadn't seen that list before. It gives me a better idea of what to look for. EncreViolette (talk) 11:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great, that's what it's for! While it may seem like a huuuge list, it's actually a drop in the ocean. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Jeri1984 (07:27, 19 July 2024)

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I want to create a Wikipedia page, not edit one, How do I do that? --Jeri1984 (talk) 07:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeri1984 Hello! Making an acceptable WP-article without knowing how to edit WP is hard. A common advice is to "just" edit for a while first, to try to get a hang of this place.
That said, your first hurdle is "Can a WP-article about your chosen subject be written at all?" Start with reading WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If your choice of topic fails WP:N, the article will not be accepted. If you decide to go ahead, you need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. This is crucial, and I can't stress that enough. If you intend to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. If you intend to write about yourself (WP:COI), the short advice is "don't."
As an example, when I start drafting an article, I begin something like this: [9]. Get the sources in there, then re-read them, then start adding text, citing as you go along. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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