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City nicknames in infoboxes

As you and Kyle1278 were participants in this discussion, I thought you might be interested in this current discussion at WP:CANTALK regarding city nicknames in infoboxes. The outcome may have implications on how Edmonton's nicknames are handled within its infobox. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 10:43, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Ponoka, Alberta

Hello 117Avenue. Regarding your recent reversions on Ponoka, Alberta, could you please explain more fully your criteria for listing notable people on settlement articles? WP:CITSTRUCT (which is admittedly an essay, albeit one seemingly endorsed by WikiProject Cities) says that the "Notable people" section is for any notable individuals "born or residing in the locality". I don't think there is any dispute that Butterfield was born in Ponoka, so he clearly meets this criterion. But even disregarding this, in your view exactly how long must someone live in a city to merit inclusion? I already provided one reliable source that the man was born in Ponoka in 1936, and another one which said he was still living there 17 years later.
You say that he lived on a farm outside the town; could you please provide a citation for this claim? All I have been able to discover is that his parents were, at some point before Butterfield's birth, farmers. I have no idea whether they were still farming in 1936. Do you? Even if they were, coming from an agricultural community myself, I can assure you that it is by no means unusual for farmers to maintain a primary or secondary residence in a nearby town. —Psychonaut (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

I was unaware that there was guidance to include people who were also born in that town. I don't like that, people are usually born in hospitals, and not every town has a hospital. I was born in a town I never lived in, I don't think it is right to say I am a person from that town. When you first added Butterfield to the list on the Ponoka article, I went to his article to verify that there was a reference for this claim, there it said he was born in Ponoka, and his parents were farmers, but no statement that he lived in Ponoka. So I reverted you. The second time you added Butterfield to the list on the Ponoka article, you provided a reference to a Globe and Mail article that said his parents moved to Alberta to farm, but it had no mention of Ponoka, and a reference to a Lethbridge Herald article from 1953, which I can't verify. I assume this is what you meant by "he also attended high school there", and "he was still living there 17 years later"? I see on his article there is an obituary from the Edmonton Journal that says he was born in Ponoka, so I'll give you that, and I assume The Lethbridge Herald verifies that he attended school in the town. In my view, anyone who has actually lived in a city can be included, if it can be verified in a reliable source pursuant to WP:BIO and WP:BLP. But I have yet to see a source that says Butterfield lived in Ponoka. 117Avenue (talk) 01:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
First of all, my apologies for mixing up one of the references for the claim. I meant to add the Edmonton Journal piece to the article, but I copied the Globe and Mail one by mistake. However, the claim was still supported by another valid reference. It's not right to remove sourced content from an article simply because you haven't checked what it says yourself but rather developed your own assumptions as to its content. Whether or not to list people who were born but don't live in a town is a moot point here, as we have reliable sources confirming residence both at birth and in 1953. I hope you won't revert again if I restore the claim with the corrected reference. (As a matter of interest, though, would you support removing those born on 31 December from, say, Category:1967 births, on the basis that they spent less than a day in that year?) —Psychonaut (talk) 09:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm confused, where is the reliable sources confirming residence? You haven't mentioned more than the three I mentioned in my previous comment. Did The Lethbridge Herald say he lived in Ponoka, or only attended school there? Do you realize that birth and attending school does not constitute living in that place? 117Avenue (talk) 03:45, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
The Lethbridge Herald article identifies him as "Jim Butterfield of Ponoka" and implies that he also attends high school there, since it reports on him and a high school student from Edmonton both receiving scholarships to what is now the Banff Centre. —Psychonaut (talk) 11:13, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Leadership election template

Hi, do you know how to get the at New_Democratic_Party_of_Newfoundland_and_Labrador_leadership_election,_2015 etc to work so that it shows the other leadership elections from Template:Canadian politics/leadership election/New Democratic Party of Newfoundland and Labrador? Thanks. Down Kitty (talk) 18:08, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Seems to be working just fine, did the article just need to be purged? 117Avenue (talk) 04:06, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, should have given you an update, got it working after I left the message. Down Kitty (talk) 04:16, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Election conflict

I thought that one already in the article,, was good enough. The other I removed was talking about the territorial general election to be held October 5. Both Population and dwelling counts, for Canada, provinces and territories, and census subdivisions (municipalities), 2011 and 2006 censuses and List of municipalities - Nunavut show that Iqaluit is the only city in Nunavut. The equivalent for the NWT are Population and dwelling counts, for Canada, provinces and territories, and census subdivisions (municipalities), 2011 and 2006 censuses and List of municipalities - Northwest Territories, showing Yellowknife, Fort Smith, Hay River, Inuvik, Norman Wells and Fort Simpson. I think the reason for there being little coverage is that most people outside of the communities concerned don't care. For example I doubt that many non Iqaluit residents even know that the city has its municipal elections on a different day and only once every three years. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:19, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Provincial elections in Canada

Howdy. My change at Prince Edward Island general election, 2015's intro, matches with the style used on the vast majority (if not all) provincial election articles. GoodDay (talk) 13:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I didn't see that. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 03:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Undo on Nash (surname) ‎

While I respect your reverting of my recent edit, I would kindly ask you to refrain from comments that may be interpreted as condescending such as "and Thomas is dead." The edit I made is common on disambiguation pages and on other pages listing people of the same name (e.g. John Johnson where John Johnson (Ohio state representative) and John J. Johnson are described as "former"). I do recognize that the standard on the "Nash (surname)" page is to NOT add adjectives such as "former", but it is by no means a Wikipedia-wide standard. Wikipedia:Civility is of great importance and other users may be equally or more sensitive to snide comments. Thanks for your passion for Wikipedia, Sxg169 (talk) 17:33, 22 March 2015 (UTC).

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come off as condescending. I only meant to point out that you don't need to say if someone is former or not, to disambiguate them. Notability is not temporary, any one of those Nashs will remain to be known by what they have done, regardless if they resign tomorrow, or died centuries ago. 117Avenue (talk) 02:32, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Sxg169 (talk) 00:38, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

By putting a proper reference into the text, instead of just just popping in an unexplained route diagram. Useddenim (talk) 03:38, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that would help. 117Avenue (talk) 02:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Re Fixed election dates in Canada

Hello. My edit on Fixed election dates in Canada#Next elections was to reflect that while the fixed date legislation was in place, it was not followed due to the premier dropping the writ. The table lists the date fixed by the legislation ("the fixed election date legislation requires the next election for each jurisdiction to be held on the following dates"), so although there is only one next election, the date on the table should include the fixed one. But I thought it would be informational to include the actual one and the fixed one (along with the reason why it was not followed). --Zhantongz (talk) 04:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

The next election is 2015, the date fixed by the legislation is 2019. There is no election scheduled for 2016, it was cancelled. I think the table should only serve as a summary of the article's content, and not have to explain the situation, which is already done above. 117Avenue (talk) 02:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Twitter finds humour in your redirect

Thought you might get a kick out of this tweet as you created the redirect three years ago. ;) Hwy43 (talk) 02:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

It made sense at the time. 117Avenue (talk) 03:22, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Precious again

Thank you for quality articles on streets and roads in Canada, for "I don't mind being wrong, if it means a better article is written.", for gnomish work to avoid redirects, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:02, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 831st recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Kelly Ramsey Building Reference 7 is incorrect. It is linked to Please update this to

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:20, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


You reverted an edit of mine to File:Peter_Lougheed.jpg making it say again that it will be only be used on one article, when quite clearly it is not being used that way, as it is being shown on at least seven. If that flys in the face of the Wikipedia policy surrounding non-free images, I felt you should know. Hamish Paul Wilson (talk) 15:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I uploaded the image to be used only in one article. None of those other articles require the image for their comprehension. I believe those articles are not following the Wikipedia policy on non-free image use. 117Avenue (talk) 03:15, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Calgary climate data

I had to change the climate data back to the airport. That was because the user who changed it only changed the temperatures but not the precipitation, sunshine or records which seems like climate data vandalism and was accused of being a sockpuppet of Jaredgk who has other accounts that vandalized climate data such as the one on Anchorage with this edit in a similar fashion. In addition, when I did a search for climate normals in Alberta in the most recent period (1981–2010), the only Calgary weather station that came up was the airport one. Given that the length of records and quality of data is long and good respectively, it should be used. Ssbbplayer (talk) 22:05, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I reverted the page to the last stable form. I thought there was a discussion on which location to use, but now I can't find it. 117Avenue (talk) 03:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I did looked at the two archives on the talk page for Calgary. I have not seen any discussion related to which location to use, just only comments related to using the climate chart to represent climate data for Calgary (though the data is from the older 1971–2000 data). I did a more closer inspection and there is climate data for University of Calgary, but it is from the older 1971–2000 period (see this link. The data quality is not as good as the one from the airport with records only from 1964–1990 from UofC instead of 1881–2010 for the airport. Ssbbplayer (talk) 03:49, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Template creation mentor

Hi 117Avenue, I was wondering if you could help me get into the creation of templates, or could point me in the direction of someone or somewhere that could help me. Thought I'd ask you as I recall you being involved in template creation.

What I am looking to do is follow up on a suggestion from CurlyTurkey in this discussion (see his third comment under his opposition bullet). What I would like to start with is a template with V T E links with two population history tables stacked side-by-side. The two tables are at Demographics of Ottawa#Population history. I think if I could create a more complex template like that with the assistance from others, I should be in a great position to create similar templates for other major cities where only one population history is necessary. The end game here is to have the population history table(s) for a major city in one editable location, with the template then applied to the major city's main article and again at its demographics child article. i.e., Template:Edmonton population history table would be used at both Edmonton and Demographics of Edmonton. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 19:57, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

There is of course more than enough information on templates at Wikipedia:Templates. But what you are looking to do is to just add ((Navbar)), or the like, to something you are already familiar editing with. To put two historical populations tables together you would use a table (Help:Table). To put Template:Historical populations into the template space for a city specific table, you would be using Template:Historical populations as a meta-template, which it is currently not designed for. I suggest asking at Template talk:Historical populations that it can be used in the template space by adding ((Navbar)), or similar, to it. 117Avenue (talk) 01:53, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi 117Avenue! I was taking a look at List of Alberta general elections, and I noticed its image:

...and was noticing that it was out-of-date, and that you were the last person to update this image and add an election to it. Is there anyway that you can update it to include the 2015 election? Just wondering... --IJBall (contribstalk) 07:14, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

I certainly could. But in February I decided to take a step away from Wikipedia, and I am no longer editing articles on some topics, including politics. 117Avenue (talk) 01:40, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. Is this figure from an Excel file? If so, if I can get a copy of the file, I can probably try to update the figure myself... --IJBall (contribstalk) 06:03, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Myself & Mies reached a compromise at that disambig article. Now look whatcha done :( GoodDay (talk) 02:00, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I didn't see anything on the talk page. I also don't understand it, in order to disambiguate you should mention what each Elizabeth resigns over, should you not? 117Avenue (talk) 02:02, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
The UK has a unique status among the Commonwealth realms. Let's not hide that & dable into creating new titles like Monarch of the Commonwealth realms. GoodDay (talk) 02:04, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Dear 117Avenue. I hope you don't mind it, but I've added an extra parameter to your DST userbox. The reason is that the default sentence of the userbox feels somewhat incomplete, even though it is grammatically correct. The sentence goes like:

"This user's standard time zone is (...), but uses (...)."

I would prefer:

"This user's standard time zone is (...), but he uses (...)."

I named the variable gender. Using an unnamed variable probably won't be a good idea. If you don't think the variable should have been added, feel free to revert. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry about not getting to you soon; I honestly didn't see your note in my talk page. (My eyes landed on the two below yours.)

If you look at the parameter immediately before the YouTube template, you will see that it already uses the cite AV media template. The YouTube template is used to indicate that the source comes from an user-submitted site, in this case YouTube. I've seen it happen with pay-walled source citations before. If the YouTube template is supposed to be used exclusively for external links only, it was not caught during GA.

My reference to WP:VIDEOREF refers to this.

As for the linking, it seems to be a problem with the interface between Wikipedia and YouTube; it should be linking to AfterBuzz TV, not AfterBuzz. I've brought it up before, but no one seems to know why it happens. SciGal (talk) 01:12, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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